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Nuada
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Nerevarine x said :


To be honest I find this new lore does show Saradomin is benevolent, there's just not much emphasis on it. Bringing wealth and knowledge to New Domina is a pretty amazing achievement and benefits the whole Icyene race there.



This attitude seems to be similar in a lot of ways to some attitudes of European Colonialism during the past few centuries... (Oh, they're just savages. We're doing them a favour)...

I'm not suggesting that Saradomin didn't bring good things to the Icyene, but conversely he also brought negative effects.

Saradomin seems to be short-tempered and egotistical to me; and Benevolent? No. He might think he is, but the true test of character is when the conditions are adverse. Saradomin could've demonstrated his benevolence to both the Naragi and Garlandia. He didn't.

13-Dec-2013 15:14:38 - Last edited on 13-Dec-2013 15:21:33 by Nuada

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Nerevarine x said :
Dethal said :
Hey Nere, have you ever thought that Jagex could use your thread to see when Saradomin is balanced enough? It could explain why you keep on getting negative lore thrown at you.
They always come back to your thread like "Damn, still not bad enough. Guess we'll have to make him kill puppies or something."

Lol, I doubt it.

To be honest I find this new lore does show Saradomin is benevolent, there's just not much emphasis on it. Bringing wealth and knowledge to New Domina is a pretty amazing achievement and benefits the whole Icyene race there.

Garlandia doesn't even tell us about it, she just makes a passing comment and then criticises Saradomin for removing her wings.

And most people so far are ignoring that Saradomin brought wealth and knowledge to New Domina and focus on Garlandia's wings being removed...it's silly lol.

He did seek recruits for his army but many willingly joined. As for the ones who did not, we don't know what happened to them (Garlandia is an example but then again she did publicly embarrass him, something most Icyene who refused to join probably wouldn't do.)

That's a nice ultimatum. 'Fight against gods, ourgs, ogres, werewolves, mages, rangers, vampyres, and demons or I'll permanently handicap you, shame you in front of your community, and leave you to die.'
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13-Dec-2013 15:17:33

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Chaos Lupus said :

That's a nice ultimatum. 'Fight against gods, ourgs, ogres, werewolves, mages, rangers, vampyres, and demons or I'll permanently handicap you, shame you in front of your community, and leave you to die.'

Imagine what Nerevarine would say if Zaros or Zamorak did something like that?

13-Dec-2013 15:26:03

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Never you are a hypocrite just like the barbaric smurf. If Zaros or Zamorak had done the same to Garlandia you would have interpreted it as if they had nuked a plane, but since it is that overgrown smurf who did it then it is justified and he was right to do it. Have you nothnig better to do than protect Saradomin and offense Zamorak and Zaros?
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13-Dec-2013 16:41:09 - Last edited on 13-Dec-2013 16:41:51 by Darc Oejder

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Nerevarine x said :
We learn Garlandia had innate prejudices against Gods, she believed them to be corruptible and flawed.

Her beliefs and subsequent actions also demonstrate a self fulfilling prophecy. For those who are unaware, a self fulfilling prophecy was coined by Robert Merton, a famous sociologist. It is defined as a "false definition of the situation evoking new conduct which makes the originally false conception come true."

In Saradomin's case, Garlandia's beliefs were false.

Garlandia believed so strongly that Gods were corruptible and flawed, it evoked a new behaviour from her (defying Saradomin publicly) with the intention of proving she was correct. Such a behaviour was likely to cause results which confirmed her theory (punishment), thus reinforcing her bias that Gods are corruptible and flawed.
This is nonsense. Are you really trying to assert that Garlandia held that prejudice before she defied Saradomin?

As Zilyarine would say, there is no evidence for this and is entirely based on speculation. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

13-Dec-2013 17:52:44 - Last edited on 13-Dec-2013 17:56:43 by Raleirosen

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Darc Oejder:
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Never you are a hypocrite just like the barbaric smurf. If Zaros or Zamorak had done the same to Garlandia you would have interpreted it as if they had nuked a plane, but since it is that overgrown smurf who did it then it is justified and he was right to do it. Have you nothnig better to do than protect Saradomin and offense Zamorak and Zaros?
Nevarine, you speak of justification for the dismemberment of Garlandia yet if Zamorak or Zaros did the same you would be against it.
I say hypocrite.

Soz I had to do it. thats like my new catch phrase. I make videos.

13-Dec-2013 18:23:06

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A C P L said :
I say hypocrite.

Soz I had to do it. thats like my new catch phrase.
Ahaha~, that'll probably be his legacy.

Bandos' legacy that is. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

13-Dec-2013 18:24:26 - Last edited on 13-Dec-2013 18:24:41 by Raleirosen

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Raleirosen said :

This is nonsense. Are you really trying to assert that Garlandia held that prejudice before she defied Saradomin?

As Zilyarine would say, there is no evidence for this and is entirely based on speculation.

Most of it is nonsense, but there may be some truth in the self-fulfilling prophecy idea. Saradomin is generally only malevolent when you defy him.

Thus, by seeing Saradomin as an ass in DoC, and denying him at every turn, he came off as an ass.

The idea that this icyene was some masochist trying to get punished to prove a point though is lunacy. Headcanon Haven, where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
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13-Dec-2013 21:43:44 - Last edited on 13-Dec-2013 21:44:00 by Lego Miester

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