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On the temperament of icyene -
Based upon the Song From Before The War and the Book of the Gods, I believe icyene are very similar to humans.
° In the Song From Before The War, we see in the song that icyene can be loving. Their wishes and desires can be as humble as growing old with their beloved. There is no mention of war and their lives (as Saradomin is not mentioned) do not seem to revolve around theology/worship. As it certainly appears, icyene can be a very peaceful race.
¤ But as we see from Sergeant Mazakon and Commander Zilyana, they can be fierce, merciless, fighters. They can also be harsh and a bit haughty, but this might just be because they are military commanders. As we all know, military commanders are a bit rough around the edges - not exactly the dancing in a field of flowers type of people.
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° In the Book of the Gods, we see that icyene live as peaceful farmers. But just like humans, when the government is absent (in this case Saradomin), the people that go bump in the night go out into the day. They show themselves and they commit crimes simply because they can and can't be stopped.
° Like humans, they care primarily for what matters to them. They don't care about what happens in some far off place, as evidenced in this verbatim quote.
And yet, the priest looked solemnly at us as we cheered. He told us that Saradomin had not succeeded in his goals.
We were farmers; those goals were hard for us to see. We were just happy that the fighting had ended. And, with Saradomin returned, the rebels would finally see justice.
- Domus
This is where we can see real similarities. Everyone knows there's trouble and a harsh life for the people in Africa, but won't stop that trouble unless it ends up on their doorstep - just like icyene not caring what happens in another realm, until trouble reaches them.
All in all, they have the potential to be anything, just like humans. But it'll be interesting to see more of them!
Based upon the Song From Before The War and the Book of the Gods, I believe icyene are very similar to humans.
° In the Song From Before The War, we see in the song that icyene can be loving. Their wishes and desires can be as humble as growing old with their beloved. There is no mention of war and their lives (as Saradomin is not mentioned) do not seem to revolve around theology/worship. As it certainly appears, icyene can be a very peaceful race.
¤ But as we see from Sergeant Mazakon and Commander Zilyana, they can be fierce, merciless, fighters. They can also be harsh and a bit haughty, but this might just be because they are military commanders. As we all know, military commanders are a bit rough around the edges - not exactly the dancing in a field of flowers type of people.
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° In the Book of the Gods, we see that icyene live as peaceful farmers. But just like humans, when the government is absent (in this case Saradomin), the people that go bump in the night go out into the day. They show themselves and they commit crimes simply because they can and can't be stopped.
° Like humans, they care primarily for what matters to them. They don't care about what happens in some far off place, as evidenced in this verbatim quote.
And yet, the priest looked solemnly at us as we cheered. He told us that Saradomin had not succeeded in his goals.
We were farmers; those goals were hard for us to see. We were just happy that the fighting had ended. And, with Saradomin returned, the rebels would finally see justice.
- Domus
This is where we can see real similarities. Everyone knows there's trouble and a harsh life for the people in Africa, but won't stop that trouble unless it ends up on their doorstep - just like icyene not caring what happens in another realm, until trouble reaches them.
All in all, they have the potential to be anything, just like humans. But it'll be interesting to see more of them!
07-Dec-2013 18:04:57
^^^Copy+pasted from another thread because the quote button is being dumb.
Anyway, thread profiled!
I'll be more than happy to defend Saradomin and his followers against scrutiny!
Anyway, thread profiled!
I'll be more than happy to defend Saradomin and his followers against scrutiny!
07-Dec-2013 18:06:55
What one must remember about Zilyana is that she is in a sense a priestly-warrior - a paladin. So therefore, her thinking would break down into a theological view and a commander's view.
° Her quotation of, "It is not truth until He decrees it so." symbolizes why Saradomin trusts her so much. From a militant perspective, Zilyana was completely in the right. Think about it: She is his chief commander, his right hand. Ilfeen suggested that the two religions make peace and form on alliance, based upon what a random adventurer told them. Zilyana doesn't have the authority to create alliances - that's for the higher ups (i.e. Saradomin) to do.
° And how does she know our word is good? She's surrounded by rivals/enemies (all in striking distance, mind you) and an adventurer just happens to walk up and tells her some intel.
° How does she know that this adventurer isn't trying to trick her (if you sided against Saradomin in TWW Zilyana herself says she doesn't know if she can trust you), or if their intentions are good, that their intel is good? So quite clearly, she's going to sit back and wait for what her superior says. It isn't reliable intel until her superior says so.
° Furthermore, why would you trust a potential enemy? A minute before, Zilyana believed them to be enemies who were going to wage war against her religion and herself - how can she trust someone (who she probably believed) was ready to cut them all down only a minute before?
^^^Another quote, as people are discussing Zilyana.
Edit: Whoops, forgot to mention, the last bullet pertains to Ifleen/the elves in general/Seren & Serenism.
° Her quotation of, "It is not truth until He decrees it so." symbolizes why Saradomin trusts her so much. From a militant perspective, Zilyana was completely in the right. Think about it: She is his chief commander, his right hand. Ilfeen suggested that the two religions make peace and form on alliance, based upon what a random adventurer told them. Zilyana doesn't have the authority to create alliances - that's for the higher ups (i.e. Saradomin) to do.
° And how does she know our word is good? She's surrounded by rivals/enemies (all in striking distance, mind you) and an adventurer just happens to walk up and tells her some intel.
° How does she know that this adventurer isn't trying to trick her (if you sided against Saradomin in TWW Zilyana herself says she doesn't know if she can trust you), or if their intentions are good, that their intel is good? So quite clearly, she's going to sit back and wait for what her superior says. It isn't reliable intel until her superior says so.
° Furthermore, why would you trust a potential enemy? A minute before, Zilyana believed them to be enemies who were going to wage war against her religion and herself - how can she trust someone (who she probably believed) was ready to cut them all down only a minute before?
^^^Another quote, as people are discussing Zilyana.
Edit: Whoops, forgot to mention, the last bullet pertains to Ifleen/the elves in general/Seren & Serenism.
07-Dec-2013 18:09:02 - Last edited on 07-Dec-2013 18:12:20 by Kalitu III
@Solanumtinkr
Yes, she is a wack job commander, but, she does get results, and sadly I think that is why she is still in power, that, and her blind loyalty lol I still do not think you should judge her race by just her, but hay, that's me. We all have extremists, least Saradomin chose Padomenes to lead his army in the battle of lummy
Yes, she is a wack job commander, but, she does get results, and sadly I think that is why she is still in power, that, and her blind loyalty lol I still do not think you should judge her race by just her, but hay, that's me. We all have extremists, least Saradomin chose Padomenes to lead his army in the battle of lummy
07-Dec-2013 18:30:23
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