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Zanna

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Nerevarine x said :
Zanna said :
Zanna said :

..like...?

Not asking sarcastically, just ran out of characters. Sorry.

Jeez, there's a long list of them. Facts which are blatantly stated in the lore. I can think of one off the top of my head:

Example is: The Dragon Riders were almost extinct (5 of them left) and Zaros refused to cure their infertility. He wanted them to fight one more war.

That would be a factual statement from the lore correct? It says so in the book 'The Last Riders'. Being almost extinct isn't mentioned but that's what it is when only 5 dragon riders remain. Zaros would not cure them.

Then people outright deny this...it makes no sense.
I haven't met anyone who outright denies that it hapend, though we don't really know his motivation for denying them. Zaros strikes me as a very utilitarian figure and the dragon-riders where useful. Why wouldn't he save them? Perhaps he couldn't, he was busy running an empire and a war effort, and then the whole, betrayal thing hapend. He may of been planing to save them but was unable to we just don't know... You yourself have some interesting theory's about Saradomins shadier actions... most have simular head-canons for their own gods but don't bother to explain them.

Also unlike Saradomin and the indecent Naragi, we can't ask Zaros what hapend an hear his side of the story. Though, if his reasoning did turn out to be perfectly justified in your eyes, you could argue he was just saying what you wanted to hear... Seems like something he would do. Though I don't think Saradomin would be unwilling to lie to us if it served his grater good ether.

....Totally forgot what I was saying... Its almost 1AM here... I'm leaving.

...Oh yeah, I think I was going to say something about fate of the gods finally giving us some lore on Zaros that's not 1000s of years old. Hold off on Judging him until then.

19-Dec-2013 08:34:37

Zanna

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19-Dec-2013 08:37:31

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Lego Miester

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Zanna said :
Beacuse reading it now it seems like what your trying to say is everything on that tread is true and the only truth. Its probably a main reason why so many people attack you on that thread.

It really is. I openly acknowledge it's possible to respect and follow Saradomin despite all the lore that seems to be against him, I just don't like Saradomin myself.

Thread titles that say "this character IS this" rather than stating it as an opinion actively invite people to come along and criticize it. That's the main reason I'm glad you changed this one. Headcanon Haven, where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
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19-Dec-2013 10:12:47

Infinity Tao

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Lego Miester said :
Zanna said :
Beacuse reading it now it seems like what your trying to say is everything on that tread is true and the only truth. Its probably a main reason why so many people attack you on that thread.

It really is. I openly acknowledge it's possible to respect and follow Saradomin despite all the lore that seems to be against him, I just don't like Saradomin myself.

Thread titles that say "this character IS this" rather than stating it as an opinion actively invite people to come along and criticize it. That's the main reason I'm glad you changed this one.

Now if only the same was said for other threads...

On a related note, I've always felt that Saradomin always draw more zealots/extremists (NPC and players alike) than other factions does. Perhaps they're all equal though I haven't seen more zealots in other factions unlike Saradomin who happens to have a reasonable number of them. Different takes/views on his philosophy of Order might be the reason why.

19-Dec-2013 12:05:06

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Lego Miester

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Infinity Tao said :

Now if only the same was said for other threads...

On a related note, I've always felt that Saradomin always draw more zealots/extremists (NPC and players alike) than other factions does. Perhaps they're all equal though I haven't seen more zealots in other factions unlike Saradomin who happens to have a reasonable number of them. Different takes/views on his philosophy of Order might be the reason why.

I say without a pinch of sarcasm or spite that I think Saradomin attracts like-minded individuals.

I particularly liked Icthlarin and Armadyl for that very reason. Headcanon Haven, where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
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19-Dec-2013 19:48:18

Zulkir

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Lego Miester said :
Infinity Tao said :

Now if only the same was said for other threads...

On a related note, I've always felt that Saradomin always draw more zealots/extremists (NPC and players alike) than other factions does. Perhaps they're all equal though I haven't seen more zealots in other factions unlike Saradomin who happens to have a reasonable number of them. Different takes/views on his philosophy of Order might be the reason why.

I say without a pinch of sarcasm or spite that I think Saradomin attracts like-minded individuals.

I'll say it.

Saradomin attracts the entirely wrong people to represent him on the forums.

He wouldn't want them making Bias excuses for him about his faults, and it's a shame that a god that has such potential to be seen in a decent light has to suffer due to narcissism.

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19-Dec-2013 20:23:56

Raleirosen

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Nerevarine x said :
Example is: The Dragon Riders were almost extinct (5 of them left) and Zaros refused to cure their infertility. He wanted them to fight one more war.

That would be a factual statement from the lore correct? It says so in the book 'The Last Riders'. Being almost extinct isn't mentioned but that's what it is when only 5 dragon riders remain. Zaros would not cure them.

Then people outright deny this...it makes no sense.
Zaros never "refused" to cure their infertility (your word choice implies that he verbally said "no" when confronted with the issue). He simply never got around to it, leading to most of the Dragon Riders defecting as a result of his negligence. Also, that's not what the word "extinct" means. In fact I believe they still aren't extinct, since at least one remains (or at least could remain, can't remember if the mods have confirmed whether or not the last Dragon Rider is alive).

But yes, that would be a fact. You can use it as evidence to support your opinion (i.e. Zaros is evil because he didn't fulfill his promise), but that does not make your opinion factual. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

20-Dec-2013 07:56:40

Nerevarine x

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Raleirosen said :
Nerevarine x said :
Example is: The Dragon Riders were almost extinct (5 of them left) and Zaros refused to cure their infertility. He wanted them to fight one more war.

That would be a factual statement from the lore correct? It says so in the book 'The Last Riders'. Being almost extinct isn't mentioned but that's what it is when only 5 dragon riders remain. Zaros would not cure them.

Then people outright deny this...it makes no sense.
Zaros never "refused" to cure their infertility (your word choice implies that he verbally said "no" when confronted with the issue). He simply never got around to it, leading to most of the Dragon Riders defecting as a result of his negligence. Also, that's not what the word "extinct" means. In fact I believe they still aren't extinct, since at least one remains (or at least could remain, can't remember if the mods have confirmed whether or not the last Dragon Rider is alive).

But yes, that would be a fact. You can use it as evidence to support your opinion (i.e. Zaros is evil because he didn't fulfill his promise), but that does not make your opinion factual.

Zaros didn't do it. They asked him and well....he said fight one more battle and i'll do it afterwards.

That's a refusal to do it now, while they are almost extinct.

And yes almost extinct does mean that. When you have 5 members of your race left and you can't reproduce.

20-Dec-2013 08:06:42 - Last edited on 20-Dec-2013 08:16:52 by Nerevarine x

Soturi

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Nerevarine x said :
Raleirosen said :
Nerevarine x said :
Example is: The Dragon Riders were almost extinct (5 of them left) and Zaros refused to cure their infertility. He wanted them to fight one more war.

That would be a factual statement from the lore correct? It says so in the book 'The Last Riders'. Being almost extinct isn't mentioned but that's what it is when only 5 dragon riders remain. Zaros would not cure them.

Then people outright deny this...it makes no sense.
Zaros never "refused" to cure their infertility (your word choice implies that he verbally said "no" when confronted with the issue). He simply never got around to it, leading to most of the Dragon Riders defecting as a result of his negligence. Also, that's not what the word "extinct" means. In fact I believe they still aren't extinct, since at least one remains (or at least could remain, can't remember if the mods have confirmed whether or not the last Dragon Rider is alive).

But yes, that would be a fact. You can use it as evidence to support your opinion (i.e. Zaros is evil because he didn't fulfill his promise), but that does not make your opinion factual.

Zaros didn't do it. They asked him and well....he said fight one more battle and i'll do it afterwards.

That's a refusal to do it now, while they are almost extinct.

And yes almost extinct does mean that. When you have 5 members of your race left and you can't reproduce.

I'd just like I add that when Zaros made his promise to the Dragon Riders to cute then after the war, they were still a thriving race, there numbers only dwindled during the war, and in my opinion based on what we know, Zaros had every intention I cure them after the war when he had less pressing matters to deal with like running an empire. But was banished before the end so never was able to. Former

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20-Dec-2013 14:41:34

Balustan

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Nerevarine x said :
Raleirosen said :
Nerevarine x said :
Example is: The Dragon Riders were almost extinct (5 of them left) and Zaros refused to cure their infertility. He wanted them to fight one more war.

That would be a factual statement from the lore correct? It says so in the book 'The Last Riders'. Being almost extinct isn't mentioned but that's what it is when only 5 dragon riders remain. Zaros would not cure them.

Then people outright deny this...it makes no sense.
Zaros never "refused" to cure their infertility (your word choice implies that he verbally said "no" when confronted with the issue). He simply never got around to it, leading to most of the Dragon Riders defecting as a result of his negligence. Also, that's not what the word "extinct" means. In fact I believe they still aren't extinct, since at least one remains (or at least could remain, can't remember if the mods have confirmed whether or not the last Dragon Rider is alive).

But yes, that would be a fact. You can use it as evidence to support your opinion (i.e. Zaros is evil because he didn't fulfill his promise), but that does not make your opinion factual.

Zaros didn't do it. They asked him and well....he said fight one more battle and i'll do it afterwards.

That's a refusal to do it now, while they are almost extinct.

And yes almost extinct does mean that. When you have 5 members of your race left and you can't reproduce.

Well since the race is getting a solution storyline with the Dragonkin you are apparently wrong. One seems to be enough in Runescape. In fact you can bring a race back with no living members in Runescape.

In fact it seems that Zaros saved the race in the end and took one with him to Freneskae.

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20-Dec-2013 14:52:52 - Last edited on 20-Dec-2013 14:53:21 by Balustan

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