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Ancientm3ge

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William Witt said :
Ancientm3ge said :
King Shoshon said :
@ Hall

I would trust Zaros over Saradomin any day, especially given the fact that Saradomin lied to my face in DOC. His version of what happened on Naragun does not match up with what we know, ergo Skargaroth being present etc.

I can admit to the faults of my deity, my own faults, and the faults of my faction. However I continually see holier than thou attitudes from your faction, dismissing of evidence and suppressi

Hi, Ancient. Haven't been reading everything - Just skimmed briefly over the last page, and saw a quote of what you said here, so decided to add my two cents to the matter.

Simply because Guthix's first interaction with Skargaroth was after Saradomin had left doesn't mean that Skargaroth had only just arrived on Naragun. Guthix's entire story took place on the outskirts of Askroth; The conflicts of the gods are not restricted to a single city. It would be akin to saying that Saradomin lied in The Death of Chivalry about fighting Zamorak because you hadn't seen Zamorak at the Monastery.

Hello Kitty, nice to see you again Saradominist

Saradomin said he sought to defend the Naragi against both Tuska and "The Hunter" Skargaroth. However we have no evidence to believe this to be true, we know that Saradomin defended himself against Tuska and lost, Skargaroth was only on Naragun to hunt Tuska and had no reason/motive to attack Saradomin or the Naragi.

My point is thus, I find it intriguing how many from your faction are so quick to believe everything Saradomin says whilst contantly pointing fingers at others, it would be wise to have an open mind on all things no?

I have not called Saradomin a 'wing ripper' like many others, I do not judge him harshly, he like Zaros, has both merits and flaws.

I simply seek to end this 'good vs evil' mentality that many seem to harbor in your faction.
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30-Apr-2014 22:44:28

Raxxess

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Leopold said :
Raxxess said :

Just because they weren't in a position doesn't mean much. Azzanadra quote still stands. You are basically saying it wasn't practical therefore the quote is nonsense. Azzanadra's memory stills stands as saying that Zaros wanted him to kill the other gods. So yet again either Azzanadra is lying or zaros is lying.

It's inconsistent with the Zarosians calculating and tactical nature. They're not full aggressors unless they have a plan to make things work out.

Azzanadra's quote is saying that the other gods should pay.
Says nothing about the followers.
Azzanadra's memory is too subjective that its open to multiple interpretation.

Your poitn is pure Conjecture - an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information - invalid and doesn't count.

I have no choice. I must tell the others that the portal is functioning and that I know Zaros's will. It is the only way to restore hope to our forces. For centuries I have divined his directives and governed the empire to his satisfaction. This will be no different. I can act as his regent in this short absence.

...

My plan is working. The legions fight against the invading heathens with renewed faith knowing that their Lord still guides them. And today...I even felt his presence. His approval. I act with holy sanction.

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I hear him! I hear his voice in my head. Yes, Lord. I will do as you command. Saradomin will be crushed for his insolence. Zamorak will be punished for his betrayal. Armadyl will suffer for his arrogance. I will mete your vengeance upon all of them!

Yes, Lord. Make me your vessel. The empire will rise again!

They aren't quotes they are his memories. Just like the Guthixian memories this is what he remembers. Your premise is that the lore we have is false because it doesn't follow your faction having a perfect nature. "They are to calculated to make mistakes"?
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30-Apr-2014 22:45:34

Raxxess

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Ancientm3ge said :


Hello Kitty, nice to see you again Saradominist

Saradomin said he sought to defend the Naragi against both Tuska and "The Hunter" Skargaroth. However we have no evidence to believe this to be true, we know that Saradomin defended himself against Tuska and lost, Skargaroth was only on Naragun to hunt Tuska and had no reason/motive to attack Saradomin or the Naragi.

My point is thus, I find it intriguing how many from your faction are so quick to believe everything Saradomin says whilst contantly pointing fingers at others, it would be wise to have an open mind on all things no?

I have not called Saradomin a 'wing ripper' like many others, I do not judge him harshly, he like Zaros, has both merits and flaws.

I simply seek t

Guthix's memory is what points out Skargaroth leaving before Saradomin came. But Guthix was outside of Askroth. Also if you believe that Skargaroth came to hunt Tuska which I also agree with know then that Guthix's memories are inconsistent as he states that Skargaroth was drawn by Saradomin's crown.

Memory 9
...understanding flooded through me as Skargaroth's blood covered my hands. I was drawn to isolated thoughts, while other details rushed by. But this I knew: there were artefacts, left by elders who came before. These items were conduits for their power, used to refine, to create on smaller scales, to create perfection. Twelve items, like the sword. A flash of recognition - one was worn by Saradomin: the blue giant. It had drawn Tuska and Skargaroth to our...my world. The crown located other artefacts, but it would - in turn - attract those who kept them...

I also find it odd that apparently Saradomin can lie to us. But Zaros can't as you can see by the posts there is inconsistency in Zaros dialogue.
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30-Apr-2014 22:50:09

Raxxess

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I think Zaros knows plenty on Saradomin, he and Saradomin were on Gielinor at the same time, don't forget that.

When Zaros mentions Saradomin he brings up "wiping out" Zaros empire. Which Zaros wasn't present for, and didn't have contact with his followers so it is an inconsistency.
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30-Apr-2014 22:51:45

William Witt
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@ Ancientm8ge

Well, you wouldn't put me in that category, would you?

From the Tribute to Guthix memories:

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At daybreak, a distant sound roused me. I dashed outside to witness a huge, tusked creature crashing upon the white fortress of the blue giant.

The blue giant materialised and grappled with the beast.

He specifically materialised to fight Tuska. He didn't have to do that—If he were defending himself, he could have just left. If you doubt Saradomin based on the notion that you have no proof what he says is true, then the same could be said of Zaros.

P.S. Also, come on, no need to call me 'Saradominist'. Things aren't that formal between us, I hope. :P
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30-Apr-2014 22:52:25 - Last edited on 30-Apr-2014 22:53:40 by William Witt

Leopold

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Raxxess said :


They aren't quotes they are his memories. Just like the Guthixian memories this is what he remembers. Your premise is that the lore we have is false because it doesn't follow your factiom [/quote][/quote]

What you said is the Saradominist stance. Deny and lawyer facts to avoid knowing that Saradomin is really a monster. How many threads are there lawyering Saradomin's destruction of the Naragi, Garlandia, and the Third Age?

Anyway,

Your point about Azzanadra's memory is that he wanted to use Zarosian forces to exterminate Saradominists, Zamorakians, and Armadyleans, when that simply is not true.

He wanted to hold the gods Saradomin, Zamorak, and Armadyl accountable - not his followers.

His memory is moreover most likely a few years or right after Zaros has died and the Zarosian empire was in panic. That Azzanadra had given them hope is irrelevant since the story from Temple at Senntisten and reviving from Desert Treasure says that Azzie did keep in some form of contact with Zaros.

You don't know if he's crazy or really divining Zaros's directives and advice from the entire context of the game (DT/TAS/MahMem)

Too subjective to be conclusive.

30-Apr-2014 22:53:15

Leopold

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William Witt said :
@ Ancientm8ge

Well, you wouldn't put me in that category, would you?

From the Tribute to Guthix memories:

Original message details are unavailable.
At daybreak, a distant sound roused me. I dashed outside to witness a huge, tusked creature crashing upon the white fortress of the blue giant.

The blue giant materialised and grappled with the beast.

He specifically materialised to fight Tuska. He didn't have to do that—If he were defending himself, he could have just left. If you doubt Saradomin based on the notion that you have no proof what he says is true, then the same could be said of Zaros.

Your faction does this - I don't see you askign your faction members to be fair and bias free when bashing the Zarosians or Zaros though.

30-Apr-2014 22:54:41

William Witt
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I actually have talked to certain Saradominists ingame in the past trying to get them to change their ways (admittedly because I recognise that this makes us look bad, not out of the goodness of my heart). I am sorry to say that I failed.
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30-Apr-2014 22:56:38

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