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Raxxess

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Ancientm3ge said :

@ Rexxes

Sorry but you are wrong on this account. You must remember that Zaros traveled the cosmos and learned of Saradomin, and the other young gods upon his travels. Zaros has watched and learned for eons, I have no reason to discount his opinion on Saradomin, especially how it so perfectly coincides with what I see continually here.

@ Hall

I would trust Zaros over Saradomin any day, especially given the fact that Saradomin lied to my face in DOC. His version of what happened on Naragun does not match up with what we know, ergo Skargaroth being present etc.

I can admit to the faults of my deity, my own faults, and the faults of my faction. However I continually see holier than thou attitudes from your faction, dismissing of evidence and suppressi

Studying the Cosmos? He was mindless going through the universe until he was drawn by mah and the muspah the things he needed to restore his mind.

Plus all he says is he went to worlds and saw gods. The universe has many worlds and many gods. He didn't seem to care much about the other gods as shown he basically went to New Domina and Abbinah to get some Icyene and Avianse and "rip their wings off" so that he could sew them on to his Zaytres or Nihil which ever name you prefer.

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30-Apr-2014 22:03:26 - Last edited on 30-Apr-2014 22:11:46 by Raxxess

Ancientm3ge

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Raxxess said :

Studying the Cosmos? He was mindless going through the universe until he was drawn by mah and the muspah the things he needed to restore his mind.

Plus all he says is he went to worlds and saw gods. The universe has many worlds and many gods. He didn't seem to care much about the other gods as shown he basically went to New Domina and Abbinah to get some Icyene and Avianse and "rip their wings off" so that he could sew them on to his Zaytres.

Zaros knew of Saradomin before he ever arrived on Gielinor, Zaros was never mindless he was incorporeal which means without a body.

Upon reaching the edge of the lower planes, four paths opened to me - each path laid by one of Mah's sisters. It appears that, lacking my creator's knowledge, each of her sisters has separated to build their own worlds - perhaps in an effort to learn what they have lost in the absence of Mah? These I call the elemental planes, and they overflow with diversity. It is upon these elemental worlds that I have first encountered creatures who refer to themselves as gods. They have some semblance of divinity, but, unlike me, they are not of truly divine origin.

I am intrigued as to how such limited beings have overcome their inherent weaknesses, for they appear to have derived from among the mortal races. Indeed, many races from these planes follow the dogma of these self-proclaimed gods, and I unable to sway them to my cause. As such, I have spurred on to the higher realms, where the elder god's paths reconvene into worlds with more balance.

I suggest you check out my thread entitled 'Epoch of Zaros/Divine Darkness.'

Enlightenment is coming

30-Apr-2014 22:15:23

Leopold

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Raxxess said :
Leopold said :
Azzanadra's memory is subjective and open to interpretation though.

Was he talking to Zaros or was he simply mad, we can not say for sure.

I would imagine he was just going crazy and he fed Zaros false information. I mean even to people that play the faction game. Would you rather have your god be this deceitful being who was communicating only with his most trusted follower to rebuild the empire and exterminate all the non-believers and murder the other gods. Or have his right hand man who was going insane and to some extent justified in make a bunch of fake accounts who told Zaros what he remember and Zaros just trusted Azzanadra not knowing it was false info.

In one situation both of them are liars and basically want to kill anyone who doesn't want to follow their new empire..

Or the other situation its a huge misunderstanding and Azzanadra just went crazy and Zaros was basing his opinion off what Azzanadra told him.

Your entire post is called Conjecture.
Means fantasy based on nonsensical anecdotes.

And the Zarosians were in no position to conquer or exterminate Armadyleans, Saradominists, and Zamorakians. You're thinking of Saradomin & Zamorak.
Which they did.

Zaros was incapacitated and the Zarosians were strong but fought defensive battles because they lacked their gods blessing and power.

Also note that Azzie said to hold the gods - not the followers - accountable.

30-Apr-2014 22:17:07

Raxxess

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Ancientm3ge said :

Zaros knew of Saradomin before he ever arrived on Gielinor, Zaros was never mindless he was incorporeal which means without a body.

Upon reaching the edge of the lower planes, four paths opened to me - each path laid by one of Mah's sisters. It appears that, lacking my creator's knowledge, each of her sisters has separated to build their own worlds - perhaps in an effort to learn what they have lost in the absence of Mah? These I call the elemental planes, and they overflow with diversity. It is upon these elemental worlds that I have first encountered creatures who refer to themselves as gods. They have some semblance of divinity, but, unlike me, they are not of truly divine origin.

I am intrigued as to how such limited beings have overcome their inherent weaknesses, for they appear to have derived from among the mortal races. Indeed, many races from these planes follow the dogma of these self-proclaimed gods, and I unable to sway them to my cause. As such, I have spurred on to the higher realms, where the elder god's paths reconvene into worlds with more balance.

I suggest you check out my thread entitled 'Epoch of Zaros/Divine Darkness.'

I addressed that quote he just says gods and worlds, the only confirmed interaction he has with the younger gods and their worlds in that time frame is taking their followers killing them and using their bodies to experiment with his Zatyres.

He traveled twice he had to return to Freneskae after Zamorak banished him, he was fatally wounded and lost his mind and was incapable of thought in his spirit form. That is explained in one of the podcasts.

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30-Apr-2014 22:21:40

Raxxess

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Leopold said :
Raxxess said :
Leopold said :
Azzanadra's memory is subjective and open to interpretation though.

Was he talking to Zaros or was he simply mad, we can not say for sure.

I would imagine he was just going crazy and he fed Zaros false information. I mean even to people that play the faction game. Would you rather have your god be this deceitful being who was communicating only with his most trusted follower to rebuild the empire and exterminate all the non-believers and murder the other gods. Or have his right hand man who was going insane and to some extent justified in make a bunch of fake accounts who told Zaros what he remember and Zaros just trusted Azzanadra not knowing it was false info.

In one situation both of them are liars and basically want to kill anyone who doesn't want to follow their new empire..

Or the other situation its a huge misunderstanding and Azzanadra just went crazy and Zaros was basing his opinion off what Azzanadra told him.

Your entire post is called Conjecture.
Means fantasy based on nonsensical anecdotes.

And the Zarosians were in no position to conquer or exterminate Armadyleans, Saradominists, and Zamorakians. You're thinking of Saradomin & Zamorak.
Which they did.

Zaros was incapacitated and the Zarosians were strong but fought defensive battles because they lacked their gods blessing and power.

Also note that Azzie said to hold the gods - not the followers - accountable.

Just because they weren't in a position doesn't mean much. Azzanadra quote still stands. You are basically saying it wasn't practical therefore the quote is nonsense. Azzanadra's memory stills stands as saying that Zaros wanted him to kill the other gods. So yet again either Azzanadra is lying or zaros is lying.

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30-Apr-2014 22:25:04 - Last edited on 30-Apr-2014 22:25:25 by Raxxess

Leopold

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Raxxess said :

Studying the Cosmos? He was mindless going through the universe until he was drawn by mah and the muspah the things he needed to restore his mind.

Plus all he says is he went to worlds and saw gods. The universe has many worlds and many gods. He didn't seem to care much about the other gods as shown he basically went to New Domina and Abbinah to get some Icyene and Avianse and "rip their wings off" so that he could sew them on to his Zaytres or Nihil which ever name you prefer.

What's with all this conjecture. Zaros was like a young man leaving home and exploring the worlds. He noted the other gods and their true natures - hopped up mortals on Anima/Elder Energy - and left them to their devices.

About the Nihil.
The Nihil are creations of Zaros using other races genes as a base form and mutating them into stronger forms. They were Ilujanka combined with Mah's energy and the other races. This was Zaros's experiments and failures.

Zaros is more or less a scientist, what's your point?

30-Apr-2014 22:25:41

Ancientm3ge

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Raxxess said :
I addressed that quote he just says gods and worlds, the only confirmed interaction he has with the younger gods and their worlds in that time frame is taking their followers killing them and using their bodies to experiment with his Zatyres.

He traveled twice he had to return to Freneskae after Zamorak banished him, he was fatally wounded and lost his mind and was incapable of thought in his spirit form. That is explained in one of the podcasts.

1} What podcast are you referring to? I recall the Joy of Zaros podcast in which it stated it took him thousands of years to pull himself together, this does not mean he was without thought as it required thought to use Mah's energy to sustain himself...

Nowhere is it stated that he lost his mind, not sure where you are getting that from, stop assuming things please

2} You have no evidence for your theory of his 'kidnapping followers and using their bodies'. Again pointless assuming here with intent to damage the reputation of Zaros

I will reiterate that Zaros knew of Saradomin, before he arrived upon Gielinor. There he witnessed their border skirmishes and disputes. I am beginning to believe your view of Zaros is tainted by your faction lensed glasses.

Enlightenment is coming

30-Apr-2014 22:27:59 - Last edited on 30-Apr-2014 22:29:26 by Ancientm3ge

Leopold

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Raxxess said :

Just because they weren't in a position doesn't mean much. Azzanadra quote still stands. You are basically saying it wasn't practical therefore the quote is nonsense. Azzanadra's memory stills stands as saying that Zaros wanted him to kill the other gods. So yet again either Azzanadra is lying or zaros is lying.

It's inconsistent with the Zarosians calculating and tactical nature. They're not full aggressors unless they have a plan to make things work out.

Azzanadra's quote is saying that the other gods should pay.
Says nothing about the followers.
Azzanadra's memory is too subjective that its open to multiple interpretation.

Your poitn is pure Conjecture - an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information - invalid and doesn't count.

30-Apr-2014 22:28:48

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Ancientm3ge said :
King Shoshon said :
@ Hall

I would trust Zaros over Saradomin any day, especially given the fact that Saradomin lied to my face in DOC. His version of what happened on Naragun does not match up with what we know, ergo Skargaroth being present etc.

I can admit to the faults of my deity, my own faults, and the faults of my faction. However I continually see holier than thou attitudes from your faction, dismissing of evidence and suppressi

Hi, Ancient. Haven't been reading everything - Just skimmed briefly over the last page, and saw a quote of what you said here, so decided to add my two cents to the matter.

Simply because Guthix's first interaction with Skargaroth was after Saradomin had left doesn't mean that Skargaroth had only just arrived on Naragun. Guthix's entire story took place on the outskirts of Askroth; The conflicts of the gods are not restricted to a single city. It would be akin to saying that Saradomin lied in The Death of Chivalry about fighting Zamorak because you hadn't seen Zamorak at the Monastery.

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30-Apr-2014 22:37:09

Raxxess

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Leopold said :

What's with all this conjecture. Zaros was like a young man leaving home and exploring the worlds. He noted the other gods and their true natures - hopped up mortals on Anima/Elder Energy - and left them to their devices.

About the Nihil.
The Nihil are creations of Zaros using other races genes as a base form and mutating them into stronger forms. They were Ilujanka combined with Mah's energy and the other races. This was Zaros's experiments and failures.

Zaros is more or less a scientist, what's your point?

Q: Why was the opportunity wasted to show Zaros in a more negative light?
Mod Rowley: I disagree that we didn't do this. Zaros has already been shown in a hugely negative light prior to this, and he's hardly going to show himself in too negative a light when he wants your help. That said, Zaros himself does highlight some of his own flaws, both directly (hubris, entitlement) and indirectly (standoffishness, arrogance, superiority, not giving you all the information). There are also unspoken suggestions as to Zaros's character that are less that positive

(chopped up sentient creatures in the nihil arena suggesting what went into their creation)

. It could also be argued that everything he says to you during the quest is a manipulation - as such, your opinion of him going in is reflected back at you. Only time will tell if you made the right choice (regardless of which choice you made)

They were chopped up it wasn't genes. So more or less he was frankenstein and nihil are patchwerk but it is how you take it.

When he left to visit the worlds created that was very very long ago, does that mean that everything we know of Saradomin is wrong and he is actually old enough to the point that he was a god when Zaros first left Freneskae. It just says gods there are many gods and worlds in the universe.

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30-Apr-2014 22:39:46

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