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Lego Miester
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Digitaltramp said :
Lego Miester said :
Are you serious?! I've never seen a post more full of unfounded excuses and bias, don't use it! :@ .


Impressive counter argument you have there..


Fine then.

"first off she willingly attended this banquet with Saradomin despite her views on the war and on gods in general"

Well she didn't get most of those views (except opposition to the war) until a certain god ripped her wings off.

The story has barely started and you've already managed to label her prideful, vain, defiant, and aggressive.

"rather than seeing the reasons for the war and the need to fight for the greater good she only sees someone undermining her own selfish sense of authority and self-importance like a spoilt child throwing a tantrum after being told to tidy their room"

More personal attacks! Apparently she's selfish, egotistical, spoiled, and throws tantrums over the slightest offense. She has yet to do anything!

"She then states "I used to be a noble being, with wings that were the envy of everyone" again empathising on her own vanity being attacked rather than any percived greater wrong doings. surely such a pitiful and vile creature is not to be sided with?"

Alright, we've hit one minor character element: she was proud of her wings. Good for her. You then demonize this until she's a vile and pitiful creature that is not to be sided with.

The second paragraph is about how this single defiant act would bring about the downfall of their entire civilization. Exaggeration, much? It's implied that she's an icyene of note that she was allowed to be part of a banquet with Saradomin himself, so I'm sure there's some nugget of truth in this part. Maybe that's what Nerevarine was interested in.
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13-Dec-2013 05:45:21 - Last edited on 13-Dec-2013 05:47:55 by Lego Miester

Fates Pyro
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Dethal said :
Nerevarine x said :
My conclusion is that Garlandia was a sick and disturbed Icyene who deserved to have her wings removed.


You have no real lore proof about this, only your deluded stories.
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13-Dec-2013 09:17:24

Nuada
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I apologise, Nerevarine, truly I do. Through the words of his prophet, Saradomin's wisdom and benevolence have been made clear to me. I once did not believe in Saradomin but Saradomin always protected and shepherded me toward the path of true light and justice. I now know why Saradomin was regretfully forced into removing Garlandia's wings.

And here it is: Saradomin must be cruel only to be kind.

I expect the lore forums to shut down now. Saradomin is all you could ask for. *










*I write this all of my own free will. Saradomin hasn't threatened to sit on my house or rip my arms off. No sirree.

13-Dec-2013 09:29:02

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A little off-topic, but it feels worth mentioning. I finished up my headcanon haven story of the banquet (and a few other tidbits) from Saradomin's POV.

------I'd use quotes here, but they are broken-----
Saradomin's Brutal Banquet


I had returned to New Domina to find the land in chaos. Once the rebellious icyene were put down, the rest resumed their roles and order returned. Still, the lingering memories of my failure during the god wars remained on everyone's mind.

Gielinor was not the only world that needed my vision of peace. I settled my eyes upon the homeworld of the beast known as Tuska, hoping to end her rampage across the cosmos once and for all. I unveiled my plan at the evening banquet to their leaders, to mixed results. Everyone proclaimed allegiance to help me combat this evil, except one. Garlandia stood up, glaring daggers at me.
"We are still recovering from your last war, Saradomin! Thousands of years, and nothing to show for it but dead family and friends. You do not deserve my allegiance. We would be better off without you."

The room was momentarily silent, but soon I began to hear murmurs of agreement. Many of my most faithful were turning their backs to me, and the remainder turned to me awaiting my reply. Her words cut deep, but worst of all, undermined my authority. If I let her away without punishment, she would spread that dissent like a virus through my world. She had to be stopped.

I cut the banquet short and had Garlandria detained. We marched to the courtyard, and I addressed my people.

"The icyene you see before you has disobeyed and disrespected her god. She has fallen from the path of order and righteousness, and instead flies her own wayward path from the flock, leading others astray.

Those that refuse to fly along the path graciously set before them, shall not fly at all. "

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13-Dec-2013 09:37:02 - Last edited on 13-Dec-2013 09:55:53 by Lego Miester

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Yet again he made a very poor unacceptable and this time rather nasty excuse as to why everything Saradomin does is totally justified.

She was not sick and disturbed, and in no way shape or form did she deserve what he did to her out of embarrassment.

I pity this poor Icyene, she has shown me that not all of her race are disgusting Zilyanas.

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13-Dec-2013 11:35:20

Dethal
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Hey Nere, have you ever thought that Jagex could use your thread to see when Saradomin is balanced enough? It could explain why you keep on getting negative lore thrown at you.
They always come back to your thread like "Damn, still not bad enough. Guess we'll have to make him kill puppies or something."
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13-Dec-2013 14:38:03

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Dethal said :
Hey Nere, have you ever thought that Jagex could use your thread to see when Saradomin is balanced enough? It could explain why you keep on getting negative lore thrown at you.
They always come back to your thread like "Damn, still not bad enough. Guess we'll have to make him kill puppies or something."


Lol, I doubt it.

To be honest I find this new lore does show Saradomin is benevolent, there's just not much emphasis on it. Bringing wealth and knowledge to New Domina is a pretty amazing achievement and benefits the whole Icyene race there.

Garlandia doesn't even tell us about it, she just makes a passing comment and then criticises Saradomin for removing her wings.

And most people so far are ignoring that Saradomin brought wealth and knowledge to New Domina and focus on Garlandia's wings being removed...it's silly lol.

He did seek recruits for his army but many willingly joined. As for the ones who did not, we don't know what happened to them (Garlandia is an example but then again she did publicly embarrass him, something most Icyene who refused to join probably wouldn't do.)

13-Dec-2013 14:47:30

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