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Giras
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"I am finally beginning to understand the necessity of what happened on Naragun."
That could simply refer to Guthix killing Skargaroth.
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15-Jan-2017 19:12:01

Mewzard
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Giras said :
"I am finally beginning to understand the necessity of what happened on Naragun."
That could simply refer to Guthix killing Skargaroth.

Given Guthix was talking about people risking their lives so others may live, I assume Guthix referred to people giving their lives to fight Tuska in the hopes of saving everyone else back on Naragun.

We know Saradomin tried to fix things when Tuska arrived (though he most likely lost in the end and was driven off world to survive), I assume he united his forces and the Naragi to try and stop Tuska when both sides realized what the big threat was.

That's probably when this discussion happened. Guthix then later would refer back to those words when dealing with his own failings at opening the rift to the Void Pests.

16-Jan-2017 01:17:01

Wahisietel
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Going by what the memory says, my assumption is that Saradomin's initial intention was to arm and train the Naragi so they could fight future foes (maybe Tuska was coming even without the crown), but they weren't really interested. So he made an example of Askroth, just like he did with Garlandia. Although he arguably made far too much of an example.... You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

16-Jan-2017 02:00:08

Lego Miester
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Hazeel said :

According to Guthix's memory, the reason he didn't send his own daughter away is because the Naragi were running out of places to hide. Saradomin was definitely hunting them down. At best, you could make the argument that he was just enslaving them rather than killing them, but he definitely wasn't letting them be.

I guess I'm not that pessimistic about him. Maybe any time he found a naragi encampment (refugee camp or otherwise) he basically said "You are now under my leadership. If you try to resist,
we'll kill you.
" Basically a dictatorship expanding by conquest over the ill-equipped natives.

I don't think that's nearly the same thing as an extermination campaign. He legitimately thought, and still thinks, mortals are better off under his guidance and control. Zamorak would certainly call that slavery.

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It's hilarious how a god that, as a character, works to point out the flaws in black/white morality has people so fervently taking sides with him. Headcanon Haven, where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
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16-Jan-2017 06:54:28 - Last edited on 16-Jan-2017 06:59:15 by Lego Miester

Hazeel

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I don't think he was trying to teach them anything or make an example...see even Saradomin doesn't try to justify what happened on Naragun...and this is the guy who did justify ripping off a pacifists wing's and leave her to die rather than let her try to talk to the enemy and letting his followers see how the enemy reacts to it.

If Saradomin doesn't regret that , but regrets this ...then it's probably worse than we think, if anything. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

16-Jan-2017 08:19:49 - Last edited on 16-Jan-2017 08:20:59 by Hazeel

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i just wanted to pop by regarding title sequence

''Saradomin and X''

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But i also have urge to declare if anyone, it's Guthix who is bit of every god, and you should be just like him! To take in same ideals doesn't demand your workship for the one you've adapted it from, nor is it to be claimed as leeching on wing because different entities have and will come to same conclusion with or without others as always.

16-Jan-2017 16:46:20 - Last edited on 16-Jan-2017 16:49:53 by Edcy

Raleirosen

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Hazeel said :
I don't think he was trying to teach them anything or make an example...see even Saradomin doesn't try to justify what happened on Naragun...and this is the guy who did justify ripping off a pacifists wing's and leave her to die rather than let her try to talk to the enemy and letting his followers see how the enemy reacts to it.

If Saradomin doesn't regret that , but regrets this ...then it's probably worse than we think, if anything. I don't think that necessarily follows; Saradomin is all about ends justifying the means. I think it's more likely that he recognizes that nothing good came of his interaction with the Naragi, and thus there was no end to justify his means. Contrasted with Garlandia's case, which he perceives had a net benefit, then it's totally understandable how he'd regret Naragun and not the wingripping. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

16-Jan-2017 23:16:45

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Raleirosen said :
Hazeel said :
I don't think he was trying to teach them anything or make an example...see even Saradomin doesn't try to justify what happened on Naragun...and this is the guy who did justify ripping off a pacifists wing's and leave her to die rather than let her try to talk to the enemy and letting his followers see how the enemy reacts to it.

If Saradomin doesn't regret that , but regrets this ...then it's probably worse than we think, if anything. I don't think that necessarily follows; Saradomin is all about ends justifying the means. I think it's more likely that he recognizes that nothing good came of his interaction with the Naragi, and thus there was no end to justify his means. Contrasted with Garlandia's case, which he perceives had a net benefit, then it's totally understandable how he'd regret Naragun and not the wingripping. Alright I think it was answered that in this case it was completely justified by a mod in lorecorner answers, you had the "devils" who were dangerous/violent to the Icyene and unable to be reasoned with at any capacity/level.

Also Saradomin wanted simply ownership of the Zarosian Empire to have it transferred for him to be as its new ' more just' ruler, it would have been more peaceful apparently if Zamorak and the resisting more loyal Zarosians like Nex and Azzanadra hadn't gotten in the way so to speak which is why he blames them. The blast at forinthry and what Zamorak did denied Saradomin ownership of much of the former empire. He converted whoever he could.

17-Jan-2017 22:44:38 - Last edited on 17-Jan-2017 23:22:03 by Padomenes

Padomenes

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Answer to Sky Jexel's question, page 1 of lore corner answers by Stu to confirm: "It was very very bad. The darkness to the icyene's light, the devils to their angels. They could not be reasoned with; to pursue peace and diplomacy would be the icyene's undoing. The only option was to purge the corruption to prevent it from spreading."

5 to Jaina's question on Saradomin's conquest of the former Zarosian Empire by Mod Jack:

"Saradomin doesn't see it as a genocide at all. He sees it as a rightful and just conquest of the old empire, and the conversion of its people to a more wise and just ruler, i.e. him. Without the interference of Zamorak, Azzanadra, Nex and the other successor Zarosians, not to mention Bandos, this would have proceeded largely peacefully so he holds them entirely responsible."

17-Jan-2017 23:06:00 - Last edited on 17-Jan-2017 23:07:47 by Padomenes

Hazeel

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I know right? That darn Zamorak thinking that because he converted the majority of its people, the empire is his...and Azzanadra needlessly fighting back. I mean come on, man, Saradomin just wants to subjugate you, why can't you make this easy and bow down? =( Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

17-Jan-2017 23:39:06

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