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Chaos Lupus

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The memory also contradicts with the book of the gods about who drove who from Senntisten and CoM regarding the involvement of a tsutsaroth other than Thammaron and Zebub.

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19-Jan-2017 21:39:44

Darc Oejder

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But didn't Sentisten fall because Zamorak's and Saradomin's armies both united against it and Wahisietel tried to turn them against each other but failed so the Priest King told everyone to evacuate Sentisten. This is from Book of the Gods. How did Sentisten become Zamorakian when it was taken by a combined attack? Did Saradomin betray Zamorak when the city fell and Zamorak and his forces made Saradomin's army retreat thus it became Zamorakian territory?

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19-Jan-2017 21:46:45

Hguoh

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Hazeel said :
@Hguoh

Zemourgal's memory says he collapsed immediately, but that's not what I was refering to.

Except it actually doesn't. It states that he collapsed after he had defeated Zaros, but it makes no mention of how soon (and it does make note that Zammy was 'visibly coursing with the divinity of [their] former lord' before he collapsed).

Hazeel said :
I was refering to the whole Zamorak attacking all the Gods. In the Zarosian Book, it says they were all allied.

Again, it doesn't. It states that they held Senntisten for '100 generations' against the armies of 'the usurper' (Zamorak) and the other gods. Assuming each generation encompassed a 20 year period, that's 2000 years between Zamorak's coup and the point where Zamorak and Saradomin ally up. Heck even if we assume a bare minimum of 13 years per generation, that is still 1300 years of Senntisten fending off the armies of individual gods before Zamorak and Saradomin joined forces.

19-Jan-2017 23:05:14

Hguoh

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Chaos Lupus said :
The memory also contradicts with the book of the gods about who drove who from Senntisten

As with the other 'contradictions' this really isn't the case. The Zarosian Book of the Gods states that the rebels held the Divine Palace at the time the entry was written and that Azzanadra and Nex were planning a counter attack (which obviously succeeded).

If anything, Zemouregal's memory corroborates this as it states that they fell back from the capital and Azzanadra drove them out of the city and across the empire.

Chaos Lupus said :
CoM regarding the involvement of a tsutsaroth other than Thammaron and Zebub.

Thammaron and Zebub were the only ones who actually were part of the fighting during the coup. CoM showed us at least one disguised demon who was also on Zamorak's side. Furthermore, Zemouregal's memory doesn't state that other Tsutsaroth were involved in the coup. Rather, it states that the 'loyalist' Tsutsaroth sought direction from the victor as per their customs. Given Zemo refers to their forces as rebels, this indicates to me that these were Tsutsaroth who had not aided Zamorak in the coup, and who flipped sides because Zaros was defeated.

19-Jan-2017 23:18:29

Chaos Lupus

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@ Hguoh

"The usurper's minions defeated Zaros's loyal followers, and now hold the Divine Palace. I write this from the palace of Nex, where she and Azzanadra are even now planning a counter-attack." - Book of the Gods

"Denied our leader, the rebel army fell back from the capital, although many former Zarosians flocked to our banner as news of what had occurred spread." - Zemouregal's Memory

The former states that the Zamorakians held the palace until Azzanadra's attack, the latter states that they fled after Zamorak's departure and Azzanadra's attack is what drove them from the city.

"The Tsutsaroth who ruled the Avernic demons were not so easily swayed. Zamorak offered to help them throw off the shackles of their oppressive enslavement to the Chthonians, and still only Thammaron and Zebub had the wit and Imagination to actively fight for the rebellion. " - Zemouregal's Memory

This clearly isn't accurate as we know of at least one other who was willing to fight. His death occurring relatively early on doesn't change that.

And of course the biggest lore-fail of all, Zemouregal's knowledge of the Stone.

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19-Jan-2017 23:59:28

Darc Oejder

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Chaos Lupus said :
@ Hguoh

"The usurper's minions defeated Zaros's loyal followers, and now hold the Divine Palace. I write this from the palace of Nex, where she and Azzanadra are even now planning a counter-attack." - Book of the Gods

"Denied our leader, the rebel army fell back from the capital, although many former Zarosians flocked to our banner as news of what had occurred spread." - Zemouregal's Memory

The former states that the Zamorakians held the palace until Azzanadra's attack, the latter states that they fled after Zamorak's departure and Azzanadra's attack is what drove them from the city.

"The Tsutsaroth who ruled the Avernic demons were not so easily swayed. Zamorak offered to help them throw off the shackles of their oppressive enslavement to the Chthonians, and still only Thammaron and Zebub had the wit and Imagination to actively fight for the rebellion. " - Zemouregal's Memory

This clearly isn't accurate as we know of at least one other who was willing to fight. His death occurring relatively early on doesn't change that.

And of course the biggest lore-fail of all, Zemouregal's knowledge of the Stone.

Actually the one Kharshai captured wasn't a Tsutsaroth, he was far too weak to be one, he is definetly a greater demon. Avernic demons are not really that strong aside from Tsutsaroths so they don't have a say in anything so Zemoregal wouldn't mention them.

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20-Jan-2017 00:08:53

Chaos Lupus

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Darc Oejder said :
Chaos Lupus said :
@ Hguoh

"The usurper's minions defeated Zaros's loyal followers, and now hold the Divine Palace. I write this from the palace of Nex, where she and Azzanadra are even now planning a counter-attack." - Book of the Gods

"Denied our leader, the rebel army fell back from the capital, although many former Zarosians flocked to our banner as news of what had occurred spread." - Zemouregal's Memory

The former states that the Zamorakians held the palace until Azzanadra's attack, the latter states that they fled after Zamorak's departure and Azzanadra's attack is what drove them from the city.

"The Tsutsaroth who ruled the Avernic demons were not so easily swayed. Zamorak offered to help them throw off the shackles of their oppressive enslavement to the Chthonians, and still only Thammaron and Zebub had the wit and Imagination to actively fight for the rebellion. " - Zemouregal's Memory

This clearly isn't accurate as we know of at least one other who was willing to fight. His death occurring relatively early on doesn't change that.

And of course the biggest lore-fail of all, Zemouregal's knowledge of the Stone.

Actually the one Kharshai captured wasn't a Tsutsaroth, he was far too weak to be one, he is definetly a greater demon. Avernic demons are not really that strong aside from Tsutsaroths so they don't have a say in anything so Zemoregal wouldn't mention them.

If it was a greater demon they would have used a greater demon's model. It was a butcher.

The strength of the pack is the wolf and the strength of the wolf is the pack.

20-Jan-2017 00:18:30

Darc Oejder

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Chaos Lupus said :
Darc Oejder said :
Chaos Lupus said :
@ Hguoh

"The usurper's minions defeated Zaros's loyal followers, and now hold the Divine Palace. I write this from the palace of Nex, where she and Azzanadra are even now planning a counter-attack." - Book of the Gods

"Denied our leader, the rebel army fell back from the capital, although many former Zarosians flocked to our banner as news of what had occurred spread." - Zemouregal's Memory

The former states that the Zamorakians held the palace until Azzanadra's attack, the latter states that they fled after Zamorak's departure and Azzanadra's attack is what drove them from the city.

"The Tsutsaroth who ruled the Avernic demons were not so easily swayed. Zamorak offered to help them throw off the shackles of their oppressive enslavement to the Chthonians, and still only Thammaron and Zebub had the wit and Imagination to actively fight for the rebellion. " - Zemouregal's Memory

This clearly isn't accurate as we know of at least one other who was willing to fight. His death occurring relatively early on doesn't change that.

And of course the biggest lore-fail of all, Zemouregal's knowledge of the Stone.

Actually the one Kharshai captured wasn't a Tsutsaroth, he was far too weak to be one, he is definetly a greater demon. Avernic demons are not really that strong aside from Tsutsaroths so they don't have a say in anything so Zemoregal wouldn't mention them.

If it was a greater demon they would have used a greater demon's model. It was a butcher.

You mean how they used Kril's model for both Thammaron and Zebub? And how they used Yklagor the Thuderous model who is by the way an infernal for MolZar an avernic elder demon? Models don't mean anything. Mal'koss is too weak to be a butcher.

P.S Why is your personal motto a qoute from the Jungle Book?

There is joy in combat that can't be found anywhere else.

20-Jan-2017 00:59:57 - Last edited on 20-Jan-2017 01:02:40 by Darc Oejder

Hazeel

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Honestly, I think the biggest fail is that the stone clearly wasn't there during the memory in CoM...and of course there's no reason for Zamorak to bring it.

Going back to Guthix, though, my biggest disapointment is not seeing him interact with the other Gods after the God Wars and before he banished them. It would have been really interesting to see Guthix go at Saradomin for two God Wars and Saradomin justifying himself. Seeing an interaction between him and Armadyl would be interesting too since Armadyl is preaching the exact opposite of Guthix: for Gods and mortals to live together. Maybe Guthix would be intrigued to hear Armadyl's viewpoint that Guthix doesn't have to be self loathing and could, in fact, live with mortals. And then there's Zamorak who, like Guthix, wants to remove the other Gods. It'd be interesting to see how Guthix responds to his views...on one hand, Zamorak doesn't believe in peace, and yet he wants to raise mortals up so they can fend for themselves...is this not what Guthix wanted as well?

Darc Oejder said :
P.S Why is your personal motto a qoute from the Jungle Book?

You clearly don't know Loopy well.

Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

20-Jan-2017 01:13:59

Darc Oejder

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Totally agree I wish we could see Guthix interact with all of the gods before banishing them.

I actually know about him for years. He is a Zamorakian that loves Werewolves and made a thread about Jerrod and Gar'th efter Dishonor Among Thieves.

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20-Jan-2017 01:19:41 - Last edited on 20-Jan-2017 01:21:01 by Darc Oejder

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