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ZAmorakZaros
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Mewzard said :
2. Tuska would be his worst enemy, given she was murdering his entire race. 'The enemy of my enemy is my friend' moment.
"The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy, it just means I'm surrounded." -Veliaf Hurtz NO
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11-Jan-2017 07:37:50

SonofZeruiah
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More on subject, this new memory elevated Guthix and Saradomin in my eyes. Of all the gods, I rank Guthix as on par with Bandos because of the way Guthix shirked his duties as a deity. It was nice to see that Guthix could see value in the words of a (possibly former) enemy and demonstrates that eventually understood the need for others to help him in his efforts AKA, his worshipers.

It elevated Saradomin for me as well as it shed new light on his participation in the Naragun God War, showing us that he was a conqueror trying to prepare a peaceful people for war, with poor results due to his uncompromising nature.

I doubt Guthix ever forgave Saradomin, but now I really do wish to know how the confrontation between Guthix and Saradomin took place when Guthix went to banish Saradomin from Gelinor. Would Saradomin recognize what species Guthix hailed from? Would Saradomin feel remorse at this point in time for those actions on Nagarun? Would Guthix indulge some revenge against a god he now outclassed? This latest lore drop has me very curious.

11-Jan-2017 16:48:04

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SonofZeruiah said :
More on subject, this new memory elevated Guthix and Saradomin in my eyes. Of all the gods, I rank Guthix as on par with Bandos because of the way Guthix shirked his duties as a deity. It was nice to see that Guthix could see value in the words of a (possibly former) enemy and demonstrates that eventually understood the need for others to help him in his efforts AKA, his worshipers.

It elevated Saradomin for me as well as it shed new light on his participation in the Naragun God War, showing us that he was a conqueror trying to prepare a peaceful people for war, with poor results due to his uncompromising nature.

I doubt Guthix ever forgave Saradomin, but now I really do wish to know how the confrontation between Guthix and Saradomin took place when Guthix went to banish Saradomin from Gelinor. Would Saradomin recognize what species Guthix hailed from? Would Saradomin feel remorse at this point in time for those actions on Nagarun? Would Guthix indulge some revenge against a god he now outclassed? This latest lore drop has me very curious.

Well, when Guthix went to banish Bandos, we know he had just come from mopping the floor with the combined armies of Saradomin and Zamorak.

...I suspect their meeting went poorly. -Ascertes, King of all the Hallowlands and the Everchosen of Saradomin.

13-Jan-2017 19:09:21

Lego Miester
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It wasn't necessarily during his mortal lifetime, they could have met again after he became a god.

It's still fascinating that it seems like he forgives Saradomin for that considering he was the one that instigated the whole problem.

I'm still convinced headcanon wise that around the arrival of Tuska Saradomin realized it was up to him to atone for the damage he had done by defending the naragi from these invaders, but ultimately failed and the naragi that sided with him were killed. (We know from TWW that at least some sided with him and built churches, from the wreckage with Saradomin's symbol on it)

ZAmorakZaros said :

"The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy, it just means I'm surrounded." -Veliaf Hurtz

Hands down the best line Jagex have ever written. Which quest was that from? Headcanon Haven, where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
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13-Jan-2017 19:21:55 - Last edited on 13-Jan-2017 19:22:56 by Lego Miester

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I'm seriously trying to figure out how Saradomin and Guthix, and Zaros and Saradomin found time to talk. Both Guthix and Zaros have said they've spoken with him, did they just poof a table and chairs and have a heart to heart? Did Zaros seek each of the gods out or just Saradomin, did Guthix talk to each one? Wonder what he'd have thought of Armadyl.
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13-Jan-2017 20:08:53

Vardan

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CD_Paladin_C said :
I like the idea that the conversation took place when it was Saradomin's turn to be removed from Gielinor. Guthix approached him hoping to understand why the murderer did what he did and that was one of Saradomin's famous "I'm so sorry...*spits in your face*" responses (like "I'm so sorry about Naragun....*defying world guardian frying*". Always liked the popular theory that the two fought and instead of Guthix banishing him right away like Bandos, he decided to toy with him, but when Saradomin got too reckless and started becoming a threat to his followers, that's when Guthix banished him.
Wew there CWC, don't get any more absorbed in your head canon then you already are.
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13-Jan-2017 20:14:32

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Vardan said :
I'm seriously trying to figure out how Saradomin and Guthix, and Zaros and Saradomin found time to talk. Both Guthix and Zaros have said they've spoken with him, did they just poof a table and chairs and have a heart to heart? Did Zaros seek each of the gods out or just Saradomin, did Guthix talk to each one? Wonder what he'd have thought of Armadyl.

Zaros made a deal with each of the other gods besides Seren. These likely occur around the same time as CoM (give or take).

Given the time in which Guthix and Saradomin actually had opportunities to talk, there are only two periods where I could see them having chatted: before Saradomin left Naragun and when Guthix came to banish Saradomin. Given the subject matter of the memory, I suspect the latter is the case.

13-Jan-2017 20:23:46

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Hguoh said :
Vardan said :
I'm seriously trying to figure out how Saradomin and Guthix, and Zaros and Saradomin found time to talk. Both Guthix and Zaros have said they've spoken with him, did they just poof a table and chairs and have a heart to heart? Did Zaros seek each of the gods out or just Saradomin, did Guthix talk to each one? Wonder what he'd have thought of Armadyl.

Zaros made a deal with each of the other gods besides Seren. These likely occur around the same time as CoM (give or take).

Given the time in which Guthix and Saradomin actually had opportunities to talk, there are only two periods where I could see them having chatted: before Saradomin left Naragun and when Guthix came to banish Saradomin. Given the subject matter of the memory, I suspect the latter is the case.
Nah I'm talking about this bit from FotG:
Zaros: He is self-righteous, seeing things only in extremes. It was from him that I first learned of the notions of good and evil. I dismiss such notions – there are only actions and consequences. We agreed to disagree.

That sounds more like Zaros interrogated him a bit on what he was all about.
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14-Jan-2017 07:07:14

LadyScalpel
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Mewzard said :
In the recent Memorial to Guthix, one of the memories shed an interesting bit of light on Saradomin and Guthix's history.

World Gate:

I was reminded of something Saradomin once told me...that he has never desired war, but we must fight to preserve peace.

If we do not stand before the swarm, it will consume us. 'Some must die so all can live. Sacrifices must be made for the greater good.' Now those I swore to protect die in my name. They suffer for my mistake.

It is a painful lesson, the kind of knowledge that forever changes one's ideals. I am finally beginning to understand the necessity of what happened on Naragun. "


That one line: "I am finally beginning to understand the necessity of what happened on Naragun." ...That's quite the powerful statement. Was this from when Tuska arrived and Saradomin and his forces had to work with the Naragi to try and fend of Tuska? Man, I wish we could ask Saradomin about it.

I'm curious as to what you

I agree with people saying that this memory makes no sense. I could hardly believe my eyes when I read it.

1) There is absolutely nothing in Guthixian memories to suggest that Guthix and Saradomin talked on Naragun. They couldn't have had philosophical conversetions before Guthix banished the gods either.

I am finally beginning to understand the necessity of what happened on Naragun.

But what happened on Naragun? Saradomin destroyed the capital of Naragi, Askroth, killing a large number of Naragi people.

I'm sorry but to make Guthix say this is ridiculous.

15-Jan-2017 01:35:40

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LadyScalpel said :
They couldn't have had philosophical conversetions before Guthix banished the gods either.

Why not? He had time to chat with Bandos before banishing him.

Vardan said :
Nah I'm talking about this bit from FotG:
Zaros: He is self-righteous, seeing things only in extremes. It was from him that I first learned of the notions of good and evil. I dismiss such notions – there are only actions and consequences. We agreed to disagree.

That sounds more like Zaros interrogated him a bit on what he was all about.

We've seen the gods (even those that consider each other mortal enemies) exchange words in the same room before without killing each other. Is it truly so preposterous that the god with his capital right on Zaros's border and who has been known to negotiate with other gods (he talked Armadyl into serving under him and managed to build a shaky alliance with Bandos) would have talked to Zaros at some point during the 2nd age?

Granted, it wouldn't have ended on good terms (as both would want the other to be subservient to them), but I don't find the idea that they had talked at least once to be that odd.

Of course, Zaros could have also learned of Saradomin's belief in absolute good and evil from some of Saradomin's followers.

15-Jan-2017 01:45:55 - Last edited on 15-Jan-2017 01:53:40 by Hguoh

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