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Lord Drakan
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defend itself against Morytania's attack without crossing the Edicts, and Roald following this advice in the finale. That'd probably be the best option. It'd be fun to see Aeonis** fight during the finale, by the way; apart from being a spiritual advisor and high inquisitor, he is a trained combatant and has fought in the Wilderness. Didn't see that coming didjanow.

There is also, of course, the matter of the splinter group trying to remove the Edicts. LoS only teased at this; we don't know why they are doing this yet and whether it will be relevant to the conflict between Morytania and Misthalin, but, even if Tytn had no concrete plans yet, the intention was clear that they would be featured some way, somewhere in the future. Drezel still has the Saradominist glove and Zamorakian map of course.

Also, hi Srowl*y! :D (have you read my review? :P )

Hopefully RoB will turn out well. It's ironic how the concept art is wrong though; Roald fighting a werewolf? He'd've brought a wolfbane dagger of course! :P

Final note on the topic of moral ambiguity; I stand by the view that the vampyres should be evil and the antagonists of the series with no or extremely little room for sympathy. DoH and TBoD (as well as the novels, who also develop Malak and Vanescula (and of course Tenebra) in terms of character) did an excellent job at cementing the cruelty of the Vyrewatch, and the, well, EVIL personalities of more common vampyres, establishing that it's not just the Drakans that happen to be bad apples, but the entire race that's inherently veyr much not nice.

The exception is, and should be, Vanescula. She shouldn't necessarily be morally grey or more sympathetic (please not), but definitely morally ambiguous and mysterious apart from having the generic evil vampyre traits. So far, all three quests she has appeared in, as well as the novels, have been consistent in that.

@Kemtros: As for Nomad, he was very much a morally ambiguous antihero in NR. DaT, not so much.
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08-Jan-2016 09:41:17

Mod Rowley

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Yep, that's exactly how I understand it, thanks Lord Drakan.. :)

@Balustan: I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that the characters now believe they are 'triggered'. The dialogue in TLoV says that everything is escalating, and any further escalation from Varrock is increasing the risk towards a breaking points, not that some theoretical switch is going to be turned on. Also, much of what you convey is still only theoretical...

I will consider what role the splinter group can, will and still has to play, and how that sits with our current understanding of the Edicts. That's no guarantee they'll feature in the finale, but it's a plot point I'd like to address in some way (even just to 'sow it up') - I wouldn't have mentioned it at the end of TLoV if I didn't feel it was important.

08-Jan-2016 10:02:03 - Last edited on 08-Jan-2016 10:02:13 by Mod Rowley

Balustan

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Mod Rowley said :
Yep, that's exactly how I understand it, thanks Lord Drakan.. :)

@Balustan: I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that the characters now believe they are 'triggered'. The dialogue in TLoV says that everything is escalating, and any further escalation from Varrock is increasing the risk towards a breaking points, not that some theoretical switch is going to be turned on. Also, much of what you convey is still only theoretical...

I will consider what role the splinter group can, will and still has to play, and how that sits with our current understanding of the Edicts. That's no guarantee they'll feature in the finale, but it's a plot point I'd like to address in some way (even just to 'sow it up') - I wouldn't have mentioned it at the end of TLoV if I didn't feel it was important.


Jagex seem to think they are "triggered" based off the post LoV Reddit Q&A answers.

Our character literally says everybody else, meaning the splinter group and Vanescula, are breaking the edicts this is untrue. The escalating thing is true but nobody has actually broken the edicts which that dialogue seems to say quite clearly.

Not really seeing much of what I say being theoretical. The last bit of stuff is just pondering about how it could be resolved in some way. I'm not sure how and I don't care too much as long as the edicts as understood by the series are revealed as a farce or a loophole found or the mechanisms to wake Guthix is removed or w/e. Basically I just want them rendered useless whatever they are and then the splinter group to get on with whatever thing they want to probably in a bottle quest. Of course that means there must be something that happens in Myreque due to the edicts being rendered useles

@Fswe1 there is actually no indication the splinter group is trying to actively doing anything other than waiting the edicts to be out of their way before carrying on with some other plan.
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08-Jan-2016 17:39:30 - Last edited on 08-Jan-2016 17:51:34 by Balustan

Half Centaur
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To my understanding, Vanescula and Drakan were a bit separate from the rest of vyre society, which I would agree, is very much so the evil antagonist of the sereis- because they know that the vyre way as it is or was is unsustainable.

I imagine that Vanescula and Drakan have seen the numbers of humans drop over time, and they know, in their heart of hearts, that it means the inevitable death of their own race- how they differed in solving the problem made TLoV very interesting.

the real problem with the vampyres was that they are needlessly cruel. Part of their current situation reminds me of the old crisis on Easter island- they kept cutting down trees for various purposes until they had no more trees left at all- and no way to make boats and get off the island. It's a resource crisis for them driven by cruelty and opulence.




From the human side, they just see the oppressive way of the vampyres (which have become increasingly worse, in an attempt to increase yield and decrease resistance) and want to rise up more, like 'the harder you squeeze the more slips through your fingertips'. They want the Vampyres to die, I think, simply because of what they have done and the risk their race has on the rest of mankind-which is kinda crazy. I imagine genocide to some of them at least, is the only way to ensure the continued prosperity of mankind.

I really hope the Saradominist side of the splinter group shows that moral lens there- which, in its pursuit to achieve good is extremely evil in and of itself.

I like how it does put the humans in the 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' situation though, as far as breaking the edicts. Vanescula has already shown that she doesn't believe she has a choice- and the humans will likely think the same.




It's interesting cause I can't really think of a 'best case' scenario :P .
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09-Jan-2016 02:18:07 - Last edited on 09-Jan-2016 02:20:24 by Half Centaur

sir eos lee

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Wacky thought.
PoP did canonically open up in the 5th Age.

Back when trading was going on with the islands 20 years ago, a younger King Roald managed to secure a Tengu Tsuba.

Now, he wants to put it to use.
The player (or some artisan) would now have the honor of making the King (Assuming he wants to lead the fight) a 2 handed Tetsu Katana capable of Slaying Vyrewatch.

You take his Tsuba. Some plate and Koi Scales they had accumulated ages ago (or was a gift from the previous Port Master), add on some Blisterwood to the Hilt.

You now have a true Kingsword for protecting Misthalin from the threats of Morytania.

11-Jan-2016 01:35:10

sir eos lee

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Meku said :
maybe make Invention one of the key parts? like have you build machine to perfect haemalchemy.


Not going to happen.
Quest series is 5th Age.
Invention and Divination is 6th Age.

The only way they do it is an "after the fact" where we fast forward to the 6th Age, ... something something then something happened ... and NOW that Inventor is out, the Vyres need your Inventor help.

Insert something.

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03-Apr-2016 23:55:20

Lord Drakan
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[#0MGFV81HT] said :
Dude you should be more concerned about how you're dead. Everyone knows dead vampires cant be on the forums anymore, you don't want to get in trouble.

I'm not dead, I'm merely stunned. And pinin'.
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05-Apr-2016 18:06:05

sir eos lee

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Lord Drakan said :
[#0MGFV81HT] said :
Dude you should be more concerned about how you're dead. Everyone knows dead vampires cant be on the forums anymore, you don't want to get in trouble.

I'm not dead, I'm merely stunned. And pinin'.


Oh you silly silly child. He's a memory fragment revenant vampire that even post death managed to master the art of invention and thus create a vampire gizmo shell from which he is now able to post on the forums.

05-Apr-2016 18:16:14

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