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Hguoh

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Capn Swag said :
say no leaders - join Godless.

I personally find it to be more along the lines of say no to nukes. Gods are very powerful, and can live forever. To them, a century is a blink of an eye, but to us it is a lifetime or more. They can, and have, caused suffering for thousands of years so that they may gain a benefit much further down the line. Imagine it like a giant walking through a crowded city. No matter how hard they try, they will step on something.


Superman - join v

V is an... interesting one to say the least. His philosophy is to help people and do good things because they are the right thing to do. Just be a hero. His plans behind the scenes are notably more questionable. Much like the Godless and Seren, he wants mortals to live free of gods, but seeks to do so in a far more militant manner. He planned to essentially puppeteer the modern God Wars until he was the last God left standing. At which point he'd fake his own death, and only reappear again should his heroics be needed.

In all honesty, V was even more militant than Kara'meir is, and was willing to sacrifice many in his efforts to remove the gods from Gielinor. And while to some this plan may seem bad, it had a pretty good chance of working (which is more than I can say about the gods' action in the original God Wars).

04-Sep-2015 15:10:48

Autumn Elite

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To the OP - You don't have to choose to follow just one god. You can take the positive ideals from each of them or follow them in the situations you believe are right.

Regrette said :
Zaros' plan might be nebulous and risky, but it's the only plan there is right now, and Zaros is the only god powerful enough to do something as of this post.

If I had three ports missions - one at 1%, one at 2% and one at 3%, should I take the 3% one simply as its the best? Or reroll for to get a better mission? Having a plan and even having the only current plan does not equal having a decent plan.

Also Seren is basically identicial to Zaros so could easily fill in. I'd also say Saradomin has enough power and influence to help. Not completely fill the role or even being a constructive personality in the situation but on power and influence, could definitely help with the research.

Regrette said :
Zaros has a plan. Are you seriously suggesting that we should wait for Seren to come up with one?

Well if its a choice between waiting for a decent plan or fully going ahead with a poor one, I'd vote wait. Besides we don't exactly have to do nothing. Probably all plans would involve taking the Catalyst off Sliske, dealing with the dragonkin and finding the elder halls. We can do that whilst others research alternative methods.

Also I'd like to point out your plan involves fully trusting Zaros with limitless power. That could end poorly.

Padomenes said :
Imagine if Vorago fights an elder god like Mah and grows to a gigantic size? They keep trying to smash him only to have him reform each time until they get owned?

Elder gods can alter life. They could easily alter him so he can reform. I don't think Vorago will be anywhere nearly as helpful as you are thinking, if at all.

04-Sep-2015 16:26:11

Lord Remus

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All you've done is "Worse case scenario" Zaros's plan.

Fair enough. But I didn't think I would need to point out the best case scenario, so I didn't.


I see you're on Kara-Meirs hateful side of the Godless, how self destructive of you :L

I disagree with Zaros's plan, not Zaros himself. I don't wish death on the Gods and I mostly focus on diplomacy over violence, unless dealing with something that can not be reasoned with. Look at some of my older posts if you don't believe me, the reason I may have come across as aggressive in my responce this time is because I'm sick of the flak I get for pointing out flaws in a plan. I didn't say Zaros must die or bash his followers, I was simply pointing out the issues in his plan. Also, I'm not Godless anymore, it's just the faction that is closest to my Ideals of being self-efficient and Independent. So until an option comes to leave factions altogether, I'm stuck with the Godless.


At the end of the day, I can debunk anything you say against his plan with "Fair outcome".

Again, fair enough because it's true. However, I'm not saying his plan is impossible, it just seems to have a few problems with it. If you can make a counter to the points I have made previously, then by all means point them out and if your reasoning is sound, then I will retract the statement.


The Tuska comment lol. :P

Not my faction anymore. ;) And I'm sorry if I came across as the "kill all Gods" type. That wasn't my intent. If anything, I have helped Saradomin, Zaros, Zamorak and Seren. My distaste for factions isn't aimed directly at the Gods but the blind loyalty and mob-mentality that the faction followers have.
I'm Godless although I consider myself Independent/Unaligned I "We create ourselves through life. Every victory, every failure and every lesson learned from them... Make us who we are. Once we have lived life to it's end, that is when we realise who we are... or more accurately, who we were."

04-Sep-2015 21:39:49 - Last edited on 04-Sep-2015 21:44:42 by Lord Remus

Yamushi

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I can only say why I personally joined Zaros:


If memory serves me well, he gave his follower (probably going to spell it wrong) Azzandra with some power to make up for the rituals he missed, so he did think about his follower in this instance. Showed, at least to me, he watches out for his followers, so long as they prove to be loyal. He also shows promise that he will banish the other gods, I know he has a bad image, but
SPOILER ALERT

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When I saw into what I believe was Zamoraks, or mabye Saradomin's memories when I touched the stone of jas in the recent thieves quest, I could honestly tell something was suspicious, the way everyone was talking made me question what was going on. I won't point fingers.
And also if what we know from current lore is true, I personally believe in a theory that states "A questionable weapon is better than no weapon at all."
And I just don't trust Armadyl to get the job done, otherwise I would follow him. I like how he wishes the world the be, but I just don't trust his method to work. The gods would constantly be trying to think of a way to overpower and betray him.
I'm also a hardcore role player, and I like making my master happy. And a dark lord, no less? As my bestie from one of my fav games said, "We are your minions, sire! He was nothing compared to you, your supreme evilness!"
IT'S ALMOST HARVESTING SEASON!

12-Sep-2015 01:46:00 - Last edited on 12-Sep-2015 01:54:31 by Yamushi

DS Abolish

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Many months later, I am still split between Armadyl and Zaros. I like Armadyl and Zaros a lot. I do not really like Seren very much, for multiple reasons, the biggest one being that she seems to be too Guthixian/too influenced by Guthix, and I despise Guthix's ideals regarding "balance." Guthix would let a volcano destroy a civilization just to restore "balance.". By the time Seren met with Zaros on Gielinor, and by the time she shattered herself, Seren really seemed to have drunk the Guthix kool-aid, so to speak, and so I do not really trust her or her ideals. Zaros is also a lot more logical and analytical than her, and Seren often seems like a weak and sometimes emotionally-distant leader.

So I think Seren is out. That leaves Armadyl, who seems great, but we have next to no lore for him. We have a ton of lore for Zaros, but as I stated in my original post, I do not care much for idea that those who do not seek to improve themselves do not deserve the gift of life. He is also an amoralist, although maybe his emphasis on action and consequence means that he evaluates actions more analytically and objectively than others... The Zarosian religion also seems to rely on a lot on blind faith to explain/justify why Zaros does or does not do something. This is similar to "skeptical theism" in real life (google it), which I find to be quite a terrible view to take. This is how Zarosians seem to have tried to justify their faith after Zaros was betrayed by Zamorak, according to the god books from the emissaries. "Zaros works in mysterious ways" and "God works in mysterious ways" is not very convincing theology to me.

I like Armadyl, but as stated before, there is little lore for him. We do not know if he is Bernie Sanders-ish character or less radically leftist but still good. We do not know if he believes morality objectively exists or if he affirms subjective moral values which he nevertheless follows. So I am torn between the two gods.

02-Jun-2016 07:30:57 - Last edited on 02-Jun-2016 07:41:15 by DS Abolish

Hazeel

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Nah, Armadyl is more of a Hillary Clinton. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

02-Jun-2016 07:48:14 - Last edited on 02-Jun-2016 22:54:38 by Hazeel

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