RuneScape Forum Archive | Seren, Zaros, or Armadyl?

Padomenes

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Rensler said :
Padomenes said :
Regrette said :
Lord Remus said :

And before anyone starts shouting at me that "Zaros has a plan for the Elders!", stop I get it. Zaros's "plan" is ridiculous and the fact so many put so much faith in it shocks me.

We can find our own way to deal with the Elders, our own way to handle the Dragonkin and our own way to do things our way.

See, that's great in theory, but the Godless do not know about the Elder Gods and even if they did, there's nothing they can do. There's nothing Vorago can do this time, either. Zaros' plan might be nebulous and risky, but it's the only plan there is right now, and Zaros is the only god powerful enough to do something as of this post. Seren will come up with an alternate plan too, we do not have to risk it. Also Vorago can summon up all of the Anima Mundi of Gielinor, he represents Gielinor's entire Anima Mundi. If the elder gods attacked it would probably be a fair fight if it was 1 v 1. He will just reform everytime he is killed to attack again, do not underestimate Vorago. He took down Tuska with only 1 punch.

Actaully 3 blows and an energy blast =/ Imagine if Vorago fights an elder god like Mah and grows to a gigantic size? They keep trying to smash him only to have him reform each time until they get owned?

01-Sep-2015 16:29:46 - Last edited on 01-Sep-2015 16:30:02 by Padomenes

Lord Remus

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Regrette said :
Lord Remus said :

And before anyone starts shouting at me that "Zaros has a plan for the Elders!", stop I get it. Zaros's "plan" is ridiculous and the fact so many put so much faith in it shocks me.

See, that's great in theory, but the Godless do not know about the Elder Gods and even if they did, there's nothing they can do. There's nothing Vorago can do this time, either. Zaros' plan might be nebulous and risky, but it's the only plan there is right now, and Zaros is the only god powerful enough to do something as of this post.

Ok, so you completely ignored the fact I said I get it and proceed to throw the "Godless know nothing" card at me. I've hand enough of this, let's examine Zaros's so called plan shall we?

The plan: Zaros reaches Elder Godhood, fully wakes the Elder Gods and then proceeds to speak on the behalf of mortals.

Firstly, lets start with reaching Elder Godhood. It's not even known if it's even actually possible to become and Elder God in the first place. If it is indeed impossible, then Zaros's plan is doomed. Jagex will probably make a way possible in future, but this isn't the only problem.

Secondly, fully waking the Elder Gods. This serves what purpose exactly? Instead of waiting for them to wake naturally, it sounds as if Zaros plans on setting off the equivalent of a bomb alarm clock on them. I don't know about you guys but I'm usually a bit irritable when woken up forcefully. Not a good mood to be in for negotiation or discussion.

Finally.. Say Zaros actually somehow achieves Elder Godhood, what then? We don't know the cons of being Elder other than needing to 'feed' on mass anima. There may be other things we don't know of. We also have yet another Elder that needs to feed and even if Zaros convinces them that mortal life can be a benefit, they will probably say; "Maybe you're right but we need the energy now." I'm Godless although I consider myself Independent/Unaligned I "We create ourselves through life. Every victory, every failure and every lesson learned from them... Make us who we are. Once we have lived life to it's end, that is when we realise who we are... or more accurately, who we were."

01-Sep-2015 16:49:01

Lord Remus

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-Continued from above.-

So they might try the mortal life thing in the next Revision but they still need their anima when they awaken. So either way, we are either all dead or going to be kicked out of our home while it gets devoured.

In short, the plan is ok as a back up plan but shouldn't be the main plan.

On another point: I don't see myself as Godless, I'm Unaligned/Independent just lacking the option to leave the Godless. So I don't care if they have a plan or not. But something for you to think on... Kara Meir somehow knows of the Stone of Jas when in-game, it isn't supposed to be common knowledge. Plus the adventurer knows and really their isn't anything that should stop them from telling her or B***n. I'm Godless although I consider myself Independent/Unaligned I "We create ourselves through life. Every victory, every failure and every lesson learned from them... Make us who we are. Once we have lived life to it's end, that is when we realise who we are... or more accurately, who we were."

01-Sep-2015 16:57:16

Hguoh

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Padomenes said :
Rensler said :
Padomenes said :
Regrette said :
Lord Remus said :

And before anyone starts shouting at me that "Zaros has a plan for the Elders!", stop I get it. Zaros's "plan" is ridiculous and the fact so many put so much faith in it shocks me.

We can find our own way to deal with the Elders, our own way to handle the Dragonkin and our own way to do things our way.

See, that's great in theory, but the Godless do not know about the Elder Gods and even if they did, there's nothing they can do. There's nothing Vorago can do this time, either. Zaros' plan might be nebulous and risky, but it's the only plan there is right now, and Zaros is the only god powerful enough to do something as of this post. Seren will come up with an alternate plan too, we do not have to risk it. Also Vorago can summon up all of the Anima Mundi of Gielinor, he represents Gielinor's entire Anima Mundi. If the elder gods attacked it would probably be a fair fight if it was 1 v 1. He will just reform everytime he is killed to attack again, do not underestimate Vorago. He took down Tuska with only 1 punch.

Actaully 3 blows and an energy blast =/ Imagine if Vorago fights an elder god like Mah and grows to a gigantic size? They keep trying to smash him only to have him reform each time until they get owned?

Vorago is made of anima and rock. He'd have absorbed all of Gielinor's anima into himself. The elders eat anima.

Tell me why the elders wouldn't just eat him?

01-Sep-2015 17:05:46

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The Mather1

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Lord Remus said :
-Continued from above.-

So they might try the mortal life thing in the next Revision but they still need their anima when they awaken. So either way, we are either all dead or going to be kicked out of our home while it gets devoured.
The elders don't need much anima, their eggs do. Unless you forcibly hatch their eggs there is no way of causing the Great Revision prematurely.

Rensler said :
Padomenes said :
Seren will come up with an alternate plan too, we do not have to risk it. Also Vorago can summon up all of the Anima Mundi of Gielinor, he represents Gielinor's entire Anima Mundi. If the elder gods attacked it would probably be a fair fight if it was 1 v 1. He will just reform everytime he is killed to attack again, do not underestimate Vorago. He took down Tuska with only 1 punch.

Actaully 3 blows and an energy blast =/
*3 blows, an energy blast and a million tasers to the brain.

"Abscondita est in Astra."

03-Sep-2015 15:05:44 - Last edited on 03-Sep-2015 15:10:02 by The Mather1

Capn Swag

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i will help you out.

push yourself further - join Zamorak

everything has order - join Saradomin

let other help you to make decision - join Zaros

believe in justice - join armadyl

Challenge someone who is way to op for you - join bandos.

you want some to watch after you as your back up - join Seren.

say no leaders - join Godless.

Superman - join v

04-Sep-2015 07:18:55

Regrette

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Capn Swag said :
i will help you out.

push yourself further - join Zamorak

everything has order - join Saradomin

let other help you to make decision - join Zaros

believe in justice - join armadyl

Challenge someone who is way to op for you - join bandos.

you want some to watch after you as your back up - join Seren.

say no leaders - join Godless.

Superman - join v

This is so wrong it's making my head hurt.

~Zamorak's High Priestess and devoted witch~

04-Sep-2015 09:14:19

Only Emilia

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All I can say is that you have to follow what you feel is the right thing to do. If you take into calculation that Zaros rewards people greatly for helping, I'm tbh not sure he is the god for you. Is almost the same as me saying I want to be Serenist because Seren gave Seren spells/prayers... But only you can choose who you want to follow.

Just like Zaros says: "Follow whatever god or philosophy you desire"

04-Sep-2015 10:58:19

Zulkir

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Lord Remus said :
Regrette said :
Lord Remus said :

And before anyone starts shouting at me that "Zaros has a plan for the Elders!", stop I get it. Zaros's "plan" is ridiculous and the fact so many put so much faith in it shocks me.

See, that's great in theory, but the Godless do not know about the Elder Gods and even if they did, there's nothing they can do. There's nothing Vorago can do this time, either. Zaros' plan might be nebulous and risky, but it's the only plan there is right now, and Zaros is the only god powerful enough to do something as of this post.

Ok, so you completely ignored the fact I said I get it and proceed to throw the "Godless know nothing" card at me. I've hand enough of this, let's examine Zaros's so called plan shall we? [/quote][/quote]

All you've done is "Worse case scenario" Zaros's plan. Which plenty of people are trying their very best to turn into how it'll play out for everyone.

I see you're on Kara-Meirs hateful side of the Godless, how self destructive of you :L

At the end of the day, I can debunk anything you say against his plan with "Fair outcome".

You support your god, your god will succeed.

That's how it works. Perfect example. You support Saradomin, he'll revive the centaurs and augment them into his army, You don't support him, he will likely fail.

You support Zaros, He will ascend to Eldergodhood and will have us along side him in speaking for mortals. You don't support Zaros, the attempted ascension will likely fail.

A very big jump in events, yes. But at the core it's the same thing.

Now go sit inside Tuskas ********* with the rest of your group while the real factions continue trying to save the world. :L

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04-Sep-2015 14:43:26 - Last edited on 04-Sep-2015 14:44:30 by Zulkir

Hguoh

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Capn Swag said :
i will help you out.

push yourself further - join Zamorak

Mostly correct, with the added bit that any means to that end are acceptable as long as it isn't purely to cause destruction.

everything has order - join Saradomin

Not really. Saradomin wants to bring order so that his people need not dirty their hands as he has. In essence, it's protecting people from needless suffering through order.

let other help you to make decision - join Zaros

You'd be right about Zaros in the second age, but not so much about modern Zaros. Zaros's philosophy now is to use all of life's experiences to better yourself, while also learning to do so responsibly depending on the situation. In addition, as much as he appreciates fealty, Zaros doesn't require it. Just expect him to account for that in the future.

believe in justice - join armadyl

Pretty accurate. Armadyl believes that Gods should advise mortals, working together as equals (or as close to that as possible). He believes in peace as well, but will pursue more aggressive tactics should the peaceful options prove fruitless.

Challenge someone who is way to op for you - join bandos.

Way off base. The Bandosian ideology is essentially might makes right. The strongest leads, and any and all disagreements are settled through combat. And anybody or anything you can best in combat is yours to do with as you please unless somebody stronger wants it.

you want some to watch after you as your back up - join Seren.

There is old and new Seren ideologies, and neither really matches what you said. Her earlier philosophy was to protect the mortals under her control, while not preventing them from exercising their free will. Now, she just wants mortals to live free from the gods, including herself.

04-Sep-2015 14:44:14

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