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Cthris
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Seren tortured her elves to force them to come to gielinor. She also abandoned an entire clan, and left them to die knowing that they would become sick and die, a choice which indeed killed many elves. She also experimented on her elves and as a consequence they became addicted to her essence. Further experiments resulted in creating the dark elves, you would think she would have learned her lesson by now.

Her fascination with death also led a part of her to try to commit genocide on 7 of the remaining elven clans, and to slaughter half of an entire city, and is responsible for countless deaths within the underground pass and the murders and subjected slavery of children.

She also is responsible for tricking the mahjarrat into killing their own kin to support mah. She attempted to do the same with the other Dreams of Mah, but one tribe refused too and the others after learning that they could transfer power by killing each other killed each other until only one remained.

When Seren left Frenas*** she also left the mahjarrat, and cheleon mah to die on a planet with a deranged elder god, and her horrible nightmares. She also left and abandoned her own followers who got stranded in the middle of the fighting in the god wars, leaving them to die just like the dreams of mah and the ninth elven clan. This mirrored her actions in the second age when she supposedly gave the world gate to Zaros, even though the Book of the Gods- Seren tells a very different story where the armies of Zaros killed the elves, which suggest that she also abandoned these followers to and let them be killed by Zaros.


While Zaros is equally as bad, and the history of Armadyl is completely unknown. (Though he did kill a goblin in cold blood during WE2) I would say that Seren is not a great choice.

28-Aug-2015 04:39:40

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Don't support Zaros. He is the God of Control for a reason. He wants to become fate and lead mortals to greater potential, whether you like it or not. No ifs, ands, or buts. By supporting him, you give your life to him and lose freedom and free will like Saradominist's.

I do not think Armadyl is hypocritical like what others say. He is a peaceful god as he said, but that does not mean he is a complete pacifist. As mod raven said, he wil only go to war if he is left with NO other option. Like a deer, who is connotatively portrayed as passive gentle creatures, they will fight if left with no other option. I find Armadyl an okay god. He wants equality, consensus, and freedom/liberty. He is getting his own quest soon called Rites of Passage in the future. He is pretty liberal. He Perceives himself* as a judge that tries to get everything fair as possible.

As for Seren, she is sort of like Armadyl but with a few differences. She is like Canada. She always avoids wars and wants to create a safehaven free from war. She will fight if given no other option, but unlike armadyl, she has more power than him and thus more options to avoid fighting, like erecting barriers to keep wars out. She wants peace and freedom just like armadyl. Her followers are deeply intuned with nature and love the world. They both believe in consensus and that both their actions should be based on whag their followers thinks is best. However, Seren plans on abandoning her elves soon after the elder god issue is over, which sucks when someone asks you where is your god and you say "she left us." She has the power to unintentionally enforce adoration towards her so idk if you would want that.

Basically it's between Armadyl and Seren now. If you want a god with Lots of power to avoid wars, loves nature, loves you, but plans to leave you, follow her.

otherwise go armadyl I worship Mah, for she is mah homegirl! The correct adjective for Mah's followers are: Mahomies, Mah-homeboys, or Mah-homegirls.

28-Aug-2015 04:41:49

Vardan

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Tempra said :
SwedishPagns said :
Zaros, he's the one true god of Gielinor. Seren is a judgemental ***** who's completely blind to reason and Armadyl is a just giant chicken. did you just call zaros the one true god? saradomin is gonna be maaaaaaaad :O
You say that like that's not what Zarosians have always believed :p .

@OP A big deciding factor in what god you should follow is what do you think the role of a god is . If you support gods having an active presence in the world follow Armadyl or Zaros. If you believe godly influence should be public and have them leading in the spotlight, follow Armadyl. If you think it should be passive and secretive, follow Zaros. If you don't think gods should have any interaction with Gielinor at all, follow Seren.
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28-Aug-2015 04:47:25

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Good is a subjective term which is dependent on what your perception of "good" is, so in that respect only you can decide...

Seren believes in harmony, peace and growth, that her followers should live as they chose in a sanctuary away from the wars of the other gods remaining pacifists in the face on the wars of he other gods. She wants her followers to live free from her influence, quite similar to Guthix in some respects... Rather than enforce her views on others she would let others join her who share those views.

Her means of dealing with the Great Revision is by controlling the ministrations of the anima mundi as Guthix did prior to his death.

Armadyl remains unaware of the Great Revision.

Zaros' means of tackling the Great Revision is by awaking the Elder gods and reasoning with them, this is likely more as a result of it being part of his wider goals of ascension rather than being the best solution for mortality - it threatens the lives of mortals by waking the Elder gods, who in turn would destroy mortality/the multiverse when awake.

Armadyl and Seren are more aligned to allowing their followers govern their own actions keeping their own influence over their followers negligible, although Armadyl certainly plays a more influential (and you could argue, controlling/"guiding&quot ;) role among his followers. He is more open to war where he seems it as justified, arguing the need to act on injustice where he sees it (again subjective).

Zaros wants to ascend to Elder godhood, as he has always wanted to do claiming it to be his "birthright". He wants to create a "perfect" universe (yet as this is a subjective term it would essentially mean Zaros would shape the universe in his own image). He argues that he must be more present as an overseer of mortality than Guthix where he sees pain/suffering etc. among mortals, although many believe he seeks to shape and control mortals by "guiding them to their destinies".
"Guthix was right, Gielinor is better off without its gods. I will not leave you, not again, but I will not lead you." —
Seren

28-Aug-2015 11:38:13

Britisher

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And in case you didn't know, Seren wants her followers to govern her own actions (rather than vice versa). I believe that Armadyl has, albeit looser, system wherein he consults his followers before acting on major events.

All of the factions have had questionable pasts.
Seren accidentally bound her followers to her in an attempt to allow them to live longer and fuller lives - this meant that the elves were dependent on her presence. She left to Gielinor to break them of their curse but some elves refused to join her, in desperation said elves used the native crystals of Tarddiad to break their curse, although this made the situation worse by increasing their dependency upon the crystals. Seren and the Iorwerth also attempted to break the curse using death energy in the Underground Pass.

Upon returning to Gielinor she told her elves what she had done, telling them she would isolate herself from them to break their dependency on her. She now wants her elves to govern their own actions and her actions as well.

Armadyl was a naive idealist who fought many wars with the other gods for no apparent reason. In a sense he contradict his own aims of peace through his naivety. Armadyl fought alongside Bandos and Saradomin to bring down Zamorak despite having no comprehension of the situation, ultimately he helped drive Zamorak towards destroying Forinthry.

Zaros was a very self-interested god who had little emotional bounds. His desire to ascend was fuelled by his own desire for power and we know that he would have sacrificed his entire empire and it's inhabitants to save himself... Zaros suggests that he has changed and that his interests lie in guiding/defending mortality, although he has not been all to forthcoming with the World Guardian (he states that his reason for leaving Freneskae was solely to get away from Mah, hiding the fact that it was fueled in part to ascend to Elder godhood).

Hope this helps?
"Guthix was right, Gielinor is better off without its gods. I will not leave you, not again, but I will not lead you." —
Seren

28-Aug-2015 11:40:47 - Last edited on 28-Aug-2015 11:51:09 by Britisher

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SwedishPagns said :
Zaros, he's the one true god of Gielinor. Seren is a judgemental ***** who's completely blind to reason and Armadyl is a just giant chicken.

Calm down fellow zarosian i know you are loyal to our lord but your out bursts in threads hasn't been pleasant :c please tone it down
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28-Aug-2015 13:25:11

Vardan

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Prime Axiom said :
Zaros would turn armadyl into a powerful defender of Gielinor, possibly even granting him dominion over the mortal races as he goes about his plan.

Seren would have him talk to her in her tower of voices for all of eternity.
It may not have been your intention but you do raise an interesting question. Seren has pointed out that we really don't know exactly our place in Zaros' plan is. However another thing we don't know is Zaros' plans for the other Young Gods . Seren has shown that she's going to be opposing his plans. Zamorak will no doubt try to do the same. Saradomin will probably oppose him as well. Armadyl could also oppose him, or he could join him. What would he even do with a god that joined him though?
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29-Aug-2015 00:50:07 - Last edited on 29-Aug-2015 00:50:23 by Vardan

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