RuneScape Forum Archive | Seren, Zaros, or Armadyl?

DS Abolish

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Sepulchre said :
I'm not going to sit here and waste my time trying to make you understand the concept of Balance, it's not going well, and I'm not sure I want someone so closed-minded and unable to comprehend such things following Zaros. Azzanadra is disappointed in you.

Go for Seren. We don't have enough Serenists in the world.
We need more of them to... maintain the Balance.

Actually, Azzanadra agrees with me. This is what he says in The World Wakes. "Oh you naive creature. Do you honestly think this intelligent, worthy human would side with you; with your ridiculous notions of balance? No, this adventurer is better than that." - Azzanadra. Azzanadra thinks that Guthixian notions of balance are ridiculous, just like me, although I go farther and call them barbaric.

But even if Azzanadra disagreed with me, it wouldn't matter. Azzanadra is a crazy religious fanatic, like Zilyana. I like Wahisietel a LOT better.

As for you, you are a poor excuse for a Zarosian. If you really believe in your ridiculous notions of balance, you should be Guthixian.

03-Jun-2016 20:42:26

Ancient Drew

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Please, just stop the fighting over being Guthixian or whatever. We're here to discuss whether DS should join Seren, Armadyl or Zaros.

The truth is, everyone is flawed. Even I don't agree with absolutely everything Zaros says, but he just happens to be the god I agree with most. Everything falls on a spectrum, but there are a few extremes which extend so far as to reach the other end. For example, Saradomin can cause more chaos than Zamorak by stifling people with his order and unknowingly fire up rebellion within the people. This causes the spectrum to turn into a circle where the extremes join up and meet together, closing and completing it.

As for Armadyl, I hold respect for him having the balls to stand by his principles and good intentions; Zaros and Azzandra both recognise good-hearted people, which I like. As Zaros says about him,

"When I knew him, he was idealistic and naive, but his intentions were always pure. There is value in that."

And as Azzanadra comments on those who sided with Guthix in TWW: "You are a caring being. I can understand why you would want to protect Guthix, even though it was always going to be a fruitless decision, in my opinion." This shows that while Zarosians may have a reputation for displaying little emotion, there are those who acknowledge and respect the kind. I will always try to do good things in the name of Zaros, and as part of my own path.

In my opinion, there is love and tenderness between Zaros and Seren, but it's marred by the addictive feelings instilled by them through Mah. They're both aware of the addictive traits, and as such have tried to resist or avoid each other, to fight the addiction. Zaros seems to fear this addiction, while Seren fears going insane. While Azzanadra is concerned that this insanity can come from incompleteness, I'm worried that it could come from a broken heart. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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03-Jun-2016 21:16:21

Raleirosen

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Armadyl: no lore, utterly tedious. No.

Seren: benevolent, emotionally unstable. No.

Zaros: pretty cool, also purple. Yes.

DS Abolish said :
Actually, Azzanadra agrees with me. This is what he says in The World Wakes. "Oh you naive creature. Do you honestly think this intelligent, worthy human would side with you; with your ridiculous notions of balance? No, this adventurer is better than that." - Azzanadra. Azzanadra thinks that Guthixian notions of balance are ridiculous, just like me, although I go farther and call them barbaric.

But even if Azzanadra disagreed with me, it wouldn't matter. Azzanadra is a crazy religious fanatic, like Zilyana. I like Wahisietel a LOT better.

As for you, you are a poor excuse for a Zarosian. If you really believe in your ridiculous notions of balance, you should be Guthixian.
You're imposing your personal ethical judgments on a medieval fantasy world, which is more ridiculous (and in my opinion, more barbaric) than whatever Guthixian-inspired atrocity you choose to imagine. Please do account for some level of moral relativism.

Also, you try to use Azzanadra as some kind of authority before immediately recognizing your mistake and pointing out that he's a zealot? Maybe the oh-so-logical Zaros isn't quite your style after all. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

03-Jun-2016 22:31:01 - Last edited on 03-Jun-2016 22:41:58 by Raleirosen

iXavior

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Where do you live, exactly? The United States? If you love the US government, believe it is flawless, then should join Armadyl, since that is basically what Jagex envisoned Armadyl to personify. Liberty, Justice, Equality, all that stuff stolen from the Gettysburg Address.

But remember this, there is no justice without law, and laws weaken liberty. It's just a matter of time the politically correct get into Armadyl's head and soon, we will be forced to believe a certain way. Where is the freedom now? #hatespeechisfreedom!

Go on my forum profile and look for my thread "Armadyl is a hypocrite" and feel free to scroll through the pages of arguments regarding Armadyl. I worship Mah, for she is mah homegirl! The correct adjective for Mah's followers are: Mahomies, Mah-homeboys, or Mah-homegirls.

03-Jun-2016 22:37:55

Ancient Drew

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What I said about Armadyl was mostly guesswork, but I noticed in BatB that he didn't want to talk about the other Elder Artefact he used. His means might seem hypocritical, but this might have come as part of the aviansie culture of fighting for survival, which is something that was around since Armadyl was mortal on Abbinah.

The only place for water was at the planet's exposed core, there were floating islands, tribal disputes, and couples stayed together for life. This meant that there was competition for everything, from basic commodities to romance, and gang warfare. It was a tough place that needed policing, so hopefully we'll learn about Armadyl's past as a mortal, and how he achieved the policing of Abbinah while earning the love of his people. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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03-Jun-2016 23:04:45

DS Abolish

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Raleirosen said :

You're imposing your personal ethical judgments on a medieval fantasy world, which is more ridiculous (and in my opinion, more barbaric) than whatever Guthixian-inspired atrocity you choose to imagine. Please do account for some level of moral relativism.

Also, you try to use Azzanadra as some kind of authority before immediately recognizing your mistake and pointing out that he's a zealot? Maybe the oh-so-logical Zaros isn't quite your style after all.

Moral relativism is horrible. Better to either believe in objective morality or to be a moral nihilist/error theorist.

As for Azzanadra, this is in response to Sepulchre using Azzanadra as an authority, saying he would be "disappointed." I refuted this by showing that 1) Azzanadra agrees with me and 2) We should not care about Azzanadra's opinions anyways, since he is a religious zealot. Now I do not care if Azzanadra is disappointed in me. I don't care that he is disappointed that I left the Dark Lord shard out of Seren, because it was the right thing to do. But if Sepuchre is going to bring Azzanadra up, I am happy to fact-check him- it is important to not misrepresent other people's beliefs and ideologies. Check your reading comprehension skills before you start pulling the rhetoric out.

Also, how is Armadyl "utterly tedious"?

04-Jun-2016 02:29:38 - Last edited on 04-Jun-2016 02:30:25 by DS Abolish

DS Abolish

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Ancient Drew said :
Please, just stop the fighting over being Guthixian or whatever. We're here to discuss whether DS should join Seren, Armadyl or Zaros.

The truth is, everyone is flawed. Even I don't agree with absolutely everything Zaros says, but he just happens to be the god I agree with most. Everything falls on a spectrum, but there are a few extremes which extend so far as to reach the other end. For example, Saradomin can cause more chaos than Zamorak by stifling people with his order and unknowingly fire up rebellion within the people. This causes the spectrum to turn into a circle where the extremes join up and meet together, closing and completing it.

As for Armadyl, I hold respect for him having the balls to stand by his principles and good intentions; Zaros and Azzandra both recognise good-hearted people, which I like. As Zaros says about him,

"When I knew him, he was idealistic and naive, but his intentions were always pure. There is value in that."

And as Azzanadra comments on those who sided with Guthix in TWW: "You are a caring being. I can understand why you would want to protect Guthix, even though it was always going to be a fruitless decision, in my opinion." This shows that while Zarosians may have a reputation for displaying little emotion, there are those who acknowledge and respect the kind. I will always try to do good things in the name of Zaros, and as part of my own path.

In what ways do you agree with Zaros more than you agree with Armadyl?

04-Jun-2016 02:32:31

Ancient Drew

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I haven't heard much about Armadyl apart from his belief in harmony and that we should act as guides rather than rulers. This is somewhat similar to Zaros in the present day. But what really got me into following Zaros was when the Mahjarrat following him helped me during ROTM, which to me meant that Zaros couldn't be that bad.

Then there's what he and Azzanadra say which I agree with. Azzanadra says: "Yet there are those who would claim war is an artform. Fools they are, and fools they remain. By their bloodlust they are blinded to beauty, deafened to melody, and numbed to sanctity!" I agree with this because I believe there is beauty in everything in life, and I see good in mostly everything. And then in FOTG, I met Zaros who said two things which got me into following him.

"Do not confuse darkness and light with evil and good. Real life does not deal in absolutes nor extremes. All life falls on spectrum, and all life has capacity for both good and evil. Judge me only by my actions and my words, not by the words of others."

Stigma is born from hearing what becomes a stereotype, such as "Don't trust Zaros" and "Saradomin is a child murderer", and it's this stigma which leads to discrimination. To remove this, we should look past stigma and only judge people on what they alone say and do.

The other thing Zaros said which made a positive effect on me was,

"I believe that everything that occurs in life, both good and bad, should be used to forge oneself, to better oneself. If we give in to weakness, then we do not deserve the gift of life. Where Guthix sought balance in the world, I seek balance in oneself."

To me, this means we just have to stay strong and learn through good and bad times. And we don't have to create obstacles to make ourselves stronger, such as letting lives get destroyed by a volcano. It's just that when something bad happens, we should stay strong and learn from the past. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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04-Jun-2016 06:29:09

Ancient Drew

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I also left the Dark Lord and Eluned out of Seren, because I want to save all the elves and keep her happy. I saw sense in returning them to her, but I couldn't see any other way to save everyone. The dark shard may leak death energy into the elves and make them like the old Iorwerth clan, killing each other like in the quest series. If that happened, then Seren would blame herself and feel disgusted. Combined with the increased negative feelings, Seren might just tip over the edge and break down completely. The last thing we need is a tier 2 Amascut running wild.

As for Eluned, she didn't want to go. All things die in the end, but people should be allowed to go the way they want to. I also saw sparing her as the only way to save the elves on Tarddiad, and give hope to Seren. Ultimately, I want to save everyone, solve as many problems in the world as I can, and make as many people as I can happy. This includes Zaros, who I believe should be able to have a proper family. As such, I try to help both him and Seren, and I would try to remove their abilities to instil loyalty and love. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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04-Jun-2016 06:49:01

DS Abolish

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"I believe that everything that occurs in life, both good and bad, should be used to forge oneself, to better oneself. If we give in to weakness, then we do not deserve the gift of life. Where Guthix sought balance in the world, I seek balance in oneself."

See, the quote is a negative for Zaros to me. I certainly do not believe that "If we give in to weakness, then we do not deserve the gift of life." I care about "weak" people too.

04-Jun-2016 19:35:38 - Last edited on 04-Jun-2016 19:36:09 by DS Abolish

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