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Balustan

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Lord Drakan said :
And again, so long as the story is told well and everything makes sense, you don't need any choices for added immersion. Ironically, they do the opposite: the only time I have ever thought "well, my character would never say/do this" was during a Sixth Age quest. And on multiple occasions too, since the choices we're given are terribly black and white (in the beginning it was "if you support them you're automatically against everyone else", which is ridiculous, since we had friends and enemies in nearly all factions prior to the Sixth Age. And honestly, if they judge me by which god I (don't) follow, they're bigots, but that doesn't fit their character (except Sigmund, of course :P )), whereas I've always gone along with the story in the Fifth Age. Developers make quests for a reason - I trust them to make my choices. The best part of that is there can be no regrets - whatever you did, you had no choice! (imagine impactful choice in Regicide...ugh)


I will say I have one moment I thought my character would never do and that was to go along with the TzHaar plan in Brink of Extinction to infuse the Ga'al. Never would have gone along with that but the only other choice was not do the quest.
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01-Jul-2014 08:27:57

Lord Drakan
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Balustan said :
Lord Drakan said :
And again, so long as the story is told well and everything makes sense, you don't need any choices for added immersion. Ironically, they do the opposite: the only time I have ever thought "well, my character would never say/do this" was during a Sixth Age quest. And on multiple occasions too, since the choices we're given are terribly black and white (in the beginning it was "if you support them you're automatically against everyone else", which is ridiculous, since we had friends and enemies in nearly all factions prior to the Sixth Age. And honestly, if they judge me by which god I (don't) follow, they're bigots, but that doesn't fit their character (except Sigmund, of course :P )), whereas I've always gone along with the story in the Fifth Age. Developers make quests for a reason - I trust them to make my choices. The best part of that is there can be no regrets - whatever you did, you had no choice! (imagine impactful choice in Regicide...ugh)


I will say I have one moment I thought my character would never do and that was to go along with the TzHaar plan in Brink of Extinction to infuse the Ga'al. Never would have gone along with that but the only other choice was not do the quest.

Yeah okay, I had doubts there too. But not as much as in some Sixth Age quests...

Balustan said :
You know Jagex once told us choice in quests would impact the number of quests and so they would never do it. Wonder what happened to that. Hopefully another RFD style quest doesn't happen cause they said the same.

Oh btw the 200th quest is going to be a total let down unless it's Myreque now. I think they made things bad for themselves by not releasing enough to make Elf 200th cause let's be honest we will want a great 200th.

IMO number 200 should be another standalone, non-Sixth Age special quest. But an awesome one at that!
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01-Jul-2014 08:51:26 - Last edited on 01-Jul-2014 08:54:45 by Lord Drakan

Lord Bilrach

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Lord Drakan said :
the only time I have ever thought "well, my character would never say/do this" was during a Sixth Age quest.


The character is you. I don't know how you failed to represent yourself. Of course, we don't really have any character in the fifth age. We're so blank and dull that even the signature heroes are more interesting, so I can see how you would never feel contradicted.

Balustan said :
I think your labelling of some villains as 2D is wrong. Particularly when you named Amascut who has a backstory that made her crazy.


And how does that make her any less 2D? It's not even a good backstory. She saw destruction and then went crazy--heck that doesn't even make sense.

Balustan said :
WGS stands up for far more than it's villain as the villain is actually barely in the quest and is probably the weakest part of it.


That's all there was to it. Lucien and the SOJ. The rest of it was needless filler.

Balustan said :
There is no real villain of TWW. FOTGs has no villain.


That's what made tWW so amazing! There WAS no black and white villain! You saw several sides and decided who was the villain. As for FOT*, there is a villain. Mah/Elder Gods. And I'll be honest...they're the least interesting part of the 6th Age thus far because they're as Black and White as the fifth age villains.

Characters like Saradomin, Zamorak, Bandos, and even Armadyl are more interesting because it isn't so black and white. They have their merits and their flaws and it's up to you to decide whether they're good or evil. Characters like this are actually worth debating over and talking about. But Lucien? Vanstrom? Two dimensional boring. They're just villains and have no other character than that. In fact, we could have re-used a single villain for most of the Fifth Age stories. They're all the same minus power levels.

01-Jul-2014 08:52:56

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Lord Bilrach said :
Lord Drakan said :
the only time I have ever thought "well, my character would never say/do this" was during a Sixth Age quest.


The character is you. I don't know how you failed to represent yourself. Of course, we don't really have any character in the fifth age. We're so blank and dull that even the signature heroes are more interesting, so I can see how you would never feel contradicted.

Nope, we did have a personality. We have grown from naive young adventurer who doesn't take things seriously to a true legend. In the Sixth Age I can't even represent myself. The choices are terribly one-sided and only symbolic - in reality nobody can choose what they want unless they're some insane religious one-god-only fanatics.

And I don't want to decide who the villain is. The developer should do that - it's their story. Not mine. I am not getting choices in books, am I? Why should I get chocies here?
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01-Jul-2014 08:57:56 - Last edited on 01-Jul-2014 08:58:38 by Lord Drakan

Balustan

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We only know her vague backstory. When it all becomes clear she probably went crazy because of Mah too.

Lucien and the SOJ were all there was to it? Ok you never paid attention to that quest in any way. Just going to ignore your opinion on quests from now on if you think that quite frankly.

No a villain is a pretty clear thing. You don't decide who a villain is the writer does. There are antagonists not villains there is a difference. You seem to be mistaking antagonists as villains. I like Antagonists btw and don't think there always needs to be a villain but a villain is a very specific thing which the 6th age has only 2 of at most and one is vastly out of character which is a terrible thing.

I wouldn't call the Elder Gods Villains, Mah certainly doesn't qualify as one. Unless you somehow claim a beastial creature thing can be a villain.

So you are thinking of villains wrongly.
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01-Jul-2014 09:03:16

Balustan

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Lord Drakan said :
Lord Bilrach said :
Lord Drakan said :
the only time I have ever thought "well, my character would never say/do this" was during a Sixth Age quest.


The character is you. I don't know how you failed to represent yourself. Of course, we don't really have any character in the fifth age. We're so blank and dull that even the signature heroes are more interesting, so I can see how you would never feel contradicted.

Nope, we did have a personality. We have grown from naive young adventurer who doesn't take things seriously to a true legend. In the Sixth Age I can't even represent myself. The choices are terribly one-sided and only symbolic - in reality nobody can choose what they want unless they're some insane religious one-god-only fanatics.

And I don't want to decide who the villain is. The developer should do that - it's their story. Not mine. I am not getting choices in books, am I? Why should I get chocies here?


Not to mention I've been reverted to a stupid sidekick to other characters again useful only for my powers granted by somebody else. Before I had gained experience and skill and knowledge and used it in quests like WGS.
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01-Jul-2014 09:04:32

Lord Drakan
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Balustan said :
Lord Drakan said :
Lord Bilrach said :
Lord Drakan said :
the only time I have ever thought "well, my character would never say/do this" was during a Sixth Age quest.


The character is you. I don't know how you failed to represent yourself. Of course, we don't really have any character in the fifth age. We're so blank and dull that even the signature heroes are more interesting, so I can see how you would never feel contradicted.

Nope, we did have a personality. We have grown from naive young adventurer who doesn't take things seriously to a true legend. In the Sixth Age I can't even represent myself. The choices are terribly one-sided and only symbolic - in reality nobody can choose what they want unless they're some insane religious one-god-only fanatics.

And I don't want to decide who the villain is. The developer should do that - it's their story. Not mine. I am not getting choices in books, am I? Why should I get chocies here?


Not to mention I've been reverted to a stupid sidekick to other characters again useful only for my powers granted by somebody else. Before I had gained experience and skill and knowledge and used it in quests like WGS.

I feel like becoming World Guardian downgraded me. Heck, even Zaros needed me for my powers and not because I'd freed Azzanadra, or Char, or collected those artefacts. He said I would be key in his return - unless he was psychic and knew I would become World Guardian, he lied. ;-; *shakes fist at Guthix* (but not the Fist of Guthix :P )

Also, I like my book analogy. The author decides what happens and we get to "live" that story. Making decisions shouldn't be my job.
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01-Jul-2014 09:15:43

Balustan

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@Fswe1 given Azzanadra's dialogue changes to you may earn a further plan after TWW I assumed he needed us to break the Edicts and that was the thing we initially were needed for. Of course he probably didn't know we were involved unless of some time travelling exploits in the future.

@Edel the first time? You haven't paid that much attention. World Event choices are dumb because they are irrelevant if you choose them for the right reasons after making an informed decision cause the rest of the player base doesn't care. We'll end up with a load of Hazeels by the end of the storyline if choices keep up with goss being part of them. Jagex changes characters to shoehorn in choice. The choices don't even make sense. People who didn't want to help Zaros wouldn't have gone to the point of the light simulacrum in the first place and no good reason was given for going and strengthening him but making him killable over just leaving him there. Some of the choices have just been completely illogical and counter to everything before.
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01-Jul-2014 09:41:58

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Balustan said :


I've seen that kind of feedback yes, but it's been a minority amount of complaining.

Bad as one could call world events for story they are generally a hit with people, not everyone is so deep into meta-lore that world events are a disgrace. Disapprove of the majority as much as you like, it does allow choice based story in a way that doesn't create Hazeels and lets the choice carry weight into future stories like TMF.

Jagex have stated before that Hazeels aren't happening because quest choices that kill important characters will only happen at the end of their storyline, like in TMF.

If you had left Zaros he'd just get a dark simulacrum in some other way, most likely by using force and stuff on you via his followers. Not a good deal when you had the ability to give him a life-threatening body unhindered.
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