RuneScape Forum Archive | On the quest releases' problem

Sep

2010

Lord Drakan

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A Wild Zeek said :
This is so true! Not only has the number of quests a year dipped, but the quality has dipped dramatically! The best quest in recent years is probably The World Wakes. But even that quest is nothing in comparison to quests like While Guthix Sleeps, Darkness of Hallowvale, and Mournings end part 2. And the worst thing is, they started an ENTIRE new storyline, without even finishing their current ones! Quest lines like the elven and myreque have been going on for over a decade! The gnome story hasnt been concluded either, and theyve completely abandoned King Arthur and his knights. At this rate, we wont see the end of the sixth age until like 2030 with the amount of quests we get. Jagex should just ditch voice acting and the current crappy style of quests and go back to the classic style. PPlaying quests like Darkness of Hallowvale and Legacy of Seergaze actually made me into the storyline, and WANT to finish it. Quests nowadays are more of a chore then One Small Favor (Yea, I said it). Put the sixth age on hold, and finish the stories people actually want to see an end to.
IMO the Sixth Age and existing storylines can run concurrently. Otherwise, we'd end up with only Sixth Age stuff once the others would have finished, which would be boring. Well, they're already doing pretty much exclusively Sixth Age stuff, but it could be worse, I suppose.

One Small Favour is an amazing quest.

To be fair, the Camelot storyline finished in 2007 with King's Ransom. That was a proper finale in my opinion. We still get references from time to time though; One of a Kind and presumably Plague's End, to name something. Bizarre Boron Fusswell, scryer extraordinaire. OSRS: POH ideas & RS3 minigames & achievement ideas !

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30-Jun-2014 15:42:25

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A Wild Zeek

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Yea I mean the King of Ardougne wanted to take Camelot. That could be a quest in itself. But I just think that Jagex should be focusing on its older storylines because weve been waiting a decade. We probably wont see a myreque quest until the end of next year. Thats ridiculous. Id rather see that then some stupid zamorak heist quest. Heck, I even worry that theyll botch it. From what i've heard and watched on Fate of the Gods, Zaros' return isnt epic at all, instead of it being a holy crap moment like when the Didact awakens in Halo 4 (epic one liners and all), or even a great moment like when Bruce Wayne returns in TDKR, its more of a megatron in Revenge of the Fallen. I mean, great quests, we got great revelations and the return of the big Z, but we waited a decade for this (all just my opinion).

30-Jun-2014 15:48:55

Balustan

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I would disagree with you about the Camelot quest line being finished with King's Ransom. The Sinclairs are clearly still up to no good. While Osborne is senior narrative designer it won't be finished.

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A note on Abinnah. It is supposed to be procedurally generated which is why it will cost so much. It should be noted however that procedural generation is not very often considered a good thing and actually an area that is designed by hand ends up being better than randomly generated by a computer.

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30-Jun-2014 15:50:21

Balustan

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A Wild Zeek said :
Yea I mean the King of Ardougne wanted to take Camelot. That could be a quest in itself. But I just think that Jagex should be focusing on its older storylines because weve been waiting a decade. We probably wont see a myreque quest until the end of next year. Thats ridiculous. Id rather see that then some stupid zamorak heist quest. Heck, I even worry that theyll botch it. From what i've heard and watched on Fate of the Gods, Zaros' return isnt epic at all, instead of it being a holy crap moment like when the Didact awakens in Halo 4 (epic one liners and all), or even a great moment like when Bruce Wayne returns in TDKR, its more of a megatron in Revenge of the Fallen. I mean, great quests, we got great revelations and the return of the big Z, but we waited a decade for this (all just my opinion).

Say what you want about the Zamorak heist quest it has the potential to be one of the greatest springboards for stories as well as a good quest. The question is will Jagex do it. As a springboard it has a huge amount of potential for storylines we are actually interested in.

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30-Jun-2014 15:52:40

Sep

2010

Lord Drakan

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Balustan said :
A Wild Zeek said :
Yea I mean the King of Ardougne wanted to take Camelot. That could be a quest in itself. But I just think that Jagex should be focusing on its older storylines because weve been waiting a decade. We probably wont see a myreque quest until the end of next year. Thats ridiculous. Id rather see that then some stupid zamorak heist quest. Heck, I even worry that theyll botch it. From what i've heard and watched on Fate of the Gods, Zaros' return isnt epic at all, instead of it being a holy crap moment like when the Didact awakens in Halo 4 (epic one liners and all), or even a great moment like when Bruce Wayne returns in TDKR, its more of a megatron in Revenge of the Fallen. I mean, great quests, we got great revelations and the return of the big Z, but we waited a decade for this (all just my opinion).

Say what you want about the Zamorak heist quest it has the potential to be one of the greatest springboards for stories as well as a good quest. The question is will Jagex do it. As a springboard it has a huge amount of potential for storylines we are actually interested in.

Potentially. But other quest lines have priority over Sixth Age stuff IMO. It's stupid how all storylines have >3-year-gaps now, while Sixth Age gaps are like 3 months.

Also, what's this talk about a Zamorak heist quest? We only know that there is a Zamorak quest planned. Mod Osborne mentioned just once that he'd like to have a quest where Zammy would try to heist the Stone of Jas, but that's never been confirmed. Just an idea...

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30-Jun-2014 15:58:47 - Last edited on 30-Jun-2014 15:59:09 by Lord Drakan

Balustan

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Lord Drakan said :
Balustan said :
A Wild Zeek said :
Yea I mean the King of Ardougne wanted to take Camelot. That could be a quest in itself. But I just think that Jagex should be focusing on its older storylines because weve been waiting a decade. We probably wont see a myreque quest until the end of next year. Thats ridiculous. Id rather see that then some stupid zamorak heist quest. Heck, I even worry that theyll botch it. From what i've heard and watched on Fate of the Gods, Zaros' return isnt epic at all, instead of it being a holy crap moment like when the Didact awakens in Halo 4 (epic one liners and all), or even a great moment like when Bruce Wayne returns in TDKR, its more of a megatron in Revenge of the Fallen. I mean, great quests, we got great revelations and the return of the big Z, but we waited a decade for this (all just my opinion).

Say what you want about the Zamorak heist quest it has the potential to be one of the greatest springboards for stories as well as a good quest. The question is will Jagex do it. As a springboard it has a huge amount of potential for storylines we are actually interested in.

Potentially. But other quest lines have priority over Sixth Age stuff IMO. It's stupid how all storylines have >3-year-gaps now, while Sixth Age gaps are like 3 months.

Also, what's this talk about a Zamorak heist quest? We only know that there is a Zamorak quest planned. Mod Osborne mentioned just once that he'd like to have a quest where Zammy would try to heist the Stone of Jas, but that's never been confirmed. Just an idea...

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Yeah these hats are confusing.

I would give a Zamorak heist quest priority over a lot of quests. As I say it has potential id you think about it.

There are quests I wouldn't prioritise it over but very few. I am not up to trusting Jagex with Gnome, Desert or Pirate atm due to what they've said.

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30-Jun-2014 16:01:40

Autumn Elite

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Balustan said :
I would give a Zamorak heist quest priority over a lot of quests. As I say it has potential if you think about it.

There are quests I wouldn't prioritise it over but very few. I am not up to trusting Jagex with Gnome, Desert or Pirate atm due to what they've said.

What have they said about the Gnomes?

Also agree on the need for the Zamorak quest, he needs to be brought into the game properly.

I think 12 quests a year, one a month, is a satisfactory point. With the right mix of storylines and difficulties, everyone could be pleased. However they need to cut back on the amount of grandmasters, we have gotten far too many lately.

Hopefully a mod responds to the thread to get some sort of answers.

30-Jun-2014 16:44:03

Balustan

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Autumn Elite said :
Balustan said :
I would give a Zamorak heist quest priority over a lot of quests. As I say it has potential if you think about it.

There are quests I wouldn't prioritise it over but very few. I am not up to trusting Jagex with Gnome, Desert or Pirate atm due to what they've said.

What have they said about the Gnomes?

Also agree on the need for the Zamorak quest, he needs to be brought into the game properly.

I think 12 quests a year, one a month, is a satisfactory point. With the right mix of storylines and difficulties, everyone could be pleased. However they need to cut back on the amount of grandmasters, we have gotten far too many lately.

Hopefully a mod responds to the thread to get some sort of answers.

There was some talk of Gnomes and Pirates around the time of the vote on which quest series to be the finales. If you analyse gnomes from a story stand point it makes absolutely no sense for a finale. I place the blame on Prisoner of Glouphrie which should have been the point the finale was set up or at least begun setting up but it left us with about the same amount of questions and no real villain or idea of what they are doing in Arposandra.

Similar situation with Desert Mod Osborne says 2 quests just to finish it rather than the 3 quests wanted by the developer.

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30-Jun-2014 16:50:49

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2005

Wahisietel

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Seriously, can't Jagex go back to making smaller quests that aren't part of an epic huge overaching storyline? Ones that aren't huge voice-cated blockbusters? What's wrong with having smaller quests like The Slug Menace, Do No Evil, Shadow of the Storm, and heck, even One Small Favour. All were excellent quests, probably even better than many of the more recent quests that took much longer to develop, such as Song from the Depths and Bringing Home the Bacon.

By reusing graphics, it's possible for good quests to be made in a relevantly short span of time. New dungeons would be pretty easy to create by reusing dungeon kit from all over the place, and Jagex tend to make new dungeons by doing that anyway! Reusing existing characters also means there's less a need to create new models for them. This approach has been tried before, and has created to some truly excellent quests. Take Wanted! for example, the only brand new graphics for the quest were Solus Dellegar's hat and the Commorb.

For some recent examples, we can look at Do No Evil, although it did have significantly more new graphics than Wanted. It took us to no new locations, and the only new models created for the quest were the monkey bosses, the monkey colony (& colonists), Apmeken & the items. The models in the quest were pretty bad-looking even by 2009 standards, with the exception of Apmeken and the Demon Monkeys.. It's possible for excellent quests to be created without taking us to huge new pretty areas. You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

30-Jun-2014 18:06:50 - Last edited on 01-Jul-2014 17:08:34 by Wahisietel

Lord Bilrach

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I put 6th Age stories over 5th Age stories...mainly because the majority if 5th Age quests sucked IMO. Without choices, I just couldn't get interested in the storyline. It's just watching someone else's story while their words are forced to come out of my mouth.

30-Jun-2014 18:25:16

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