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Lord Drakan
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Megical Man said :
Idk if this has been said, but I would be completely fine with 6-8 quests a year IF these quests included...

-Top of the line graphics
-Voice acting
-Longer quests/replayable
-If it is a shorter quest, then add a post quest for higher level players for an extra reward
-Add more lore. Either hidden throughout or just in our face. We are in the 6th age, but I'd still love to learn more about ages past or other interesting things


Broken Home really did a good job with all of these things. While it didn't have voice acting, there was little dialogue (compared to other quests). It could be replayed for better rewards. It had monsters we had never seen, and they were very clean looking (graphic wise). On top of all of that, it had a small chunk of lore that will mean a lot in the the future.
Top of the line graphics and voice acting for each will definitely result in less quests and they don't add much to quality... Bizarre Boron Fusswell, scryer extraordinaire. OSRS: POH ideas & RS3 minigames & achievement ideas !

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29-Nov-2014 09:07:30

Darc Oejder

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We can sacrifice voice acting if that will lead to more quest releases. But I really want more quests to be released because that is what makes this game interesting in my opinion. We have a ton of gods and more will be released so we should be getting more quests, everyone likes quests. If they didn't waste resources on EOC/Legacy we woold of had more quests. I suggest that jagex takes better care in the future and make a grand poll before releasing a game changing grand content like EOC.
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30-Nov-2014 14:14:54

Goldmage162
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Read the opening again, and I'm a bit confused. You say 2011 was the last "ok" questing year, with 9 quests and 3 holiday events.

You then go on to say 2012 was where problems began, because it only had 15 quests, but which were really 9 quests and a few reworks.

I'd like to know why you rate 2012 worse then 2011 even though it was actually, from your description alone, better?

Secondly, I think your doing quests like Stolen Hearts/DitR , Rune Mystaries and Memories, and especially Death of Chivraly an injustice by dismissing them as "reworks."

A mere "rework" would be something like Demon Slayer, where the main idea remains the same.

The others were complete overhauls, entirely new quests. The only thing DoC had in common with BKF is that it involved clandestinely entering said fortress.

As such, I would class them as quests in their own right.

09-Dec-2014 16:40:08

Autumn Elite

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Lord Drakan said :
Megical Man said :
Idk if this has been said, but I would be completely fine with 6-8 quests a year IF these quests included...

-Top of the line graphics
-Voice acting
-Longer quests/replayable
-If it is a shorter quest, then add a post quest for higher level players for an extra reward
-Add more lore. Either hidden throughout or just in our face. We are in the 6th age, but I'd still love to learn more about ages past or other interesting things


Broken Home really did a good job with all of these things. While it didn't have voice acting, there was little dialogue (compared to other quests). It could be replayed for better rewards. It had monsters we had never seen, and they were very clean looking (graphic wise). On top of all of that, it had a small chunk of lore that will mean a lot in the the future.

Top of the line graphics and voice acting for each will definitely result in less quests and they don't add much to quality...

I think what he means is fewer quests of terrific quality would be fine but as we currently get limited quests of dubious quality, changes need to be made.

I don't find top graphics or voice acting necessary but would prefer it when we can get it. I'm still annoyed that Zamorak Heist will miss out on voice; to combat Death of Chivalry, it deserves the same resources and it is a situation where it isn't really quests fault the resources are tied up but the story may suffer.

10-Dec-2014 17:49:21

Autumn Elite

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Just looked over the 2014 review post and saddened to see they only plan to release a similar amount of quests in 2015. They admitted 2013 was a disappointment and 2014 wasn't much of an improvement so why is a similar path being followed instead of this issue being tackled?

They mention RuneLabs but that seems like a cop out and a blame shift to me. We shouldn't have to continually ask for quests because they are being neglected and it is obvious some content will never win these polls but deserve to be made.

26-Dec-2014 16:21:26

Lord Drakan
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That is very sad indeed. The quote:
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While, technically, we published more quests in 2014 than 2013, it was only one more, and that’s not the scale of improvement either you or we wanted to achieve for the year. While we are planning a similar number of quests in 2015, Runelabs will offer opportunities to increase that number.
Personally I don't see RuneLabs increasing the amount of quests released at all... Bizarre Boron Fusswell, scryer extraordinaire. OSRS: POH ideas & RS3 minigames & achievement ideas !

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26-Dec-2014 16:29:50

Autumn Elite

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Lord Drakan said :
That is very sad indeed. The quote:

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While, technically, we published more quests in 2014 than 2013, it was only one more, and that’s not the scale of improvement either you or we wanted to achieve for the year. While we are planning a similar number of quests in 2015, Runelabs will offer opportunities to increase that number.

Personally I don't see RuneLabs increasing the amount of quests released at all...

I just don't see what we can do anymore. It is impossible to have a discussion to figure out a solution with people who won't admit there is a problem.

They set a goal to release more quests, admit they haven't done enough but aren't going to do more?

I've posted my thoughts on the thread about it but since it is a non sticky thread, I wouldn't expect any response.

I don't have much hope for RuneLabs. We are unsure on how it works at this point but the likelihood of a quest winning enough support to go through to the polls then winning that poll is slim. I would also suspect they would limit the number of quests that win to say two or three as they will take up resources.

RuneLabs seems like Player Power to me, and throughout the year that has lost my support. The polls are ignoring large amounts of feedback and plain not considering some options. I see RuneLabs as more of the same, appearing to listen to players while actually not.

It isn't like this is just a quantity problem either, the quality of recent quests are highly questionable. To fix this, more resources need to be committed to quests which I don't see happening unfortunately.

I really don't see what more we can do. Keep posting on threads and tweeting at them or whatever but if they just simply refuse to do anything, what can we do?

I sense a quest every two months 2015 ahead and of dubios quality too.

26-Dec-2014 17:12:14

Balustan

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I raised the issue of Runelabs with Osborne just after Runefest and he said Runelabs wouldn't define number but Jagex would after I had said it would. They are so dishonest on this issue and it's astounding just how little they care. No quest will win over a boss for instance.

Edit: We'll have to work on quality instead of quantity now since they are ignoring quantity.
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26-Dec-2014 17:16:52 - Last edited on 26-Dec-2014 17:22:48 by Balustan

Autumn Elite

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Balustan said :
I raised the issue of Runelabs with Osborne just after Runefest and he said Runelabs wouldn't define number but Jagex would after I had said it would. They are so dishonest on this issue and it's astounding just how little they care. No quest will win over a boss for instance.

Exactly. I have come to see these polls as a way to blame players for the lack of content. Where was the skilling boss we discussed? Well you guys voted for a spider boss. Didn't like Heart of Stone? You asked for it. I doubt we will see floor 61 until 2017 at the earliest now as I see that poll as a response to lack of continuation quests.

There is no follow up to any problem. Lack of quests disappointing? Yes. So what's the plan? Nothing. No discussion with the community, no forums thread engagement on it, no podcast to discuss options; just continue with the same and blame it on RuneLabs. I've seen RuneLabs as a reply to several questions on lack of content and I see this as the latest way to shift blame onto the players

I just don't see what else we can do, as a community we are more than willing to discuss this but no individual jmod has even tried to meet us halfway on this. I seriously see around 6 quests a year as the accepted standard by Jagex who are not even trying to change.

26-Dec-2014 17:31:18

Balustan

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I would raise the issue with Mod Pips but he has me blocked on twitter due to my criticism. It's not even the acceptable standard by Jagex who have admitted their minimum is 8. Though yes I agree it is definitely a blame shift. If you want change do it through Runelabs is the new line.
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26-Dec-2014 18:23:54

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