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Athrenn

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I'm honestly okay with the quantitative drop in new quests as long as we get meaningful post-quest content.

To me, the bigger problem is that it always feels like the main story is on pause during the gap between quests. For example, the world doesn't feel immersive when a gigantic world-changing event happens - like omg, Armadyl just killed BANDOS! - and...nothing changes in the world?

In comparison, when Guthix died there was SO much that changed in the world. Memorials started popping up, Guardians of Guthix would talk to you about the implications of what just happened, etc. Personally, I really need that post-quest content to feel like my actions actually had an effect in the world. I want NPCs to regard me differently from then on. That's the kind of stuff that makes a story feel rich in quality - especially for me.

07-Jul-2014 07:36:52

Athrenn

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Lord Bilrach said :
I wish we could see more stuff happening...like maybe God factions warring in some areas, cities under attack, more PvP areas popping up like the Wilderness, etc.

This might work with phasing technology, otherwise it would ruin 5th age quest immersion. I don't think that they should make this kind of stuff happen too soon though since nothing has really happened yet to trigger a second God Wars.

Sidenote: this is why I think that Bandos' early death was poorly conceived lorewise. If Bandos was actually a brilliant strategist he would never have played his hand so soon; he'd be consolidating his forces, not alpha striking a god.

07-Jul-2014 07:52:55 - Last edited on 07-Jul-2014 07:53:42 by Athrenn

T Ancalagon
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Athrenn said :
Lord Bilrach said :
I wish we could see more stuff happeninglike maybe God factions warring in some areas, cities under attack, more PvP areas popping up like the Wilderness, etc.

This might work with phasing technology, otherwise it would ruin 5th age quest immersion. I don't think that they should make this kind of stuff happen too soon though since nothing has really happened yet to trigger a second God Wars.

Sidenote: this is why I think that Bandos' early death was poorly conceived lorewise. If Bandos was actually a brilliant strategist he would never have played his hand so soon; he'd be consolidating his forces, not alpha striking a god.

Could it not be said though that he greatly underestimated Armadyl? It has been said that Bandos would only participate in a fight he was confidant of winning. He saw Armadyl as the weak link in the gods. So he tried to eliminate him and.. well it backfired on him.

Also Sliske game to give away the SOJ to the sole remaining God would cloud all there judgements, so it's understandable that even a master strategist would perhaps make an error.

Regarding skirmishes as suggested by Erik, I think it's a fantastic idea! I know what you mean about spoiling the 5th age feel but, well the 5th age is over and when people do a 5th age quest they can just disregard any skirmishes, just as they would Armadyls tower, the world gate, Bandos remains, the Lumbridge crater etc

You said you want continuation of story Athrenn, but then said you don't want mini skirmishes between factions. I know what you mean though, I too want dialogue from NPC's thats relevant to what's happening.

You say nothing has really happened to trigger a 2nd God wars? Except for... Guthix death, Saradomins rise to power, Sliske's game, Bandos death... Zaros return! There would be retaliatory strikes from Zamorakians and Bandosians... plenty has happened. Love the Lore and the RS Gods!

07-Jul-2014 08:23:40 - Last edited on 07-Jul-2014 08:24:42 by T Ancalagon

Athrenn

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T Ancalagon said :
You say nothing has really happened to trigger a 2nd God wars? Except for... Guthix death, Saradomins rise to power, Sliske's game, Bandos death... Zaros return! There would be retaliatory strikes from Zamorakians and Bandosians... plenty has happened.

But in comparison to what started the last God Wars, it seems like this one is coming on way too soon.

WE2 only makes sense if Bandos was planning to use the tower to kill Saradomin while his forces were recovering from the events of WE1, thus forcing Armadyl to come to Saradomin's defence rather than allowing Bandos to rise to power. Attacking Armadyl directly makes little sense. If I were Bandos, I'd go after the god whose army had been depleted, not the one whose army was still at full strength.

My theory is that Bandos could have gathered divine energy in secret, building up his weapon without exposing it, and then sprung his trap against Saradomin who would have underestimated Bandos as a lesser god. This would have allowed Bandos to make a huge tier leap. The vacuum of power caused by Saradomin's death + Bandos's ascension in power would have surely plunged Gielinor into a second God Wars, hence why Armadyl had to make a pre-emptive strike against him.

Even taking Sliske's game into account, striking Armadyl at full strength makes no sense in comparison to striking the weakened forces of Saradomin. This would also give Armadyl a more solid reason to be involved in WE2 since he'd be attempting to prevent a second God Wars from erupting by preventing Bandos from getting the upper hand. It would also explain why neither god was prepared to fire their cannons: Bandos was trying to save it for an attack against Saradomin and was only forced to bring it out against Armadyl because he was attacked pre-emptively.

07-Jul-2014 20:32:58 - Last edited on 07-Jul-2014 20:35:49 by Athrenn

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I really like that, it both shows Armadyl in a better light, and shows Bandos military genius. Its further backed up by how close Falador was to Bandos tower, which if your theory is correct would be a prime target for Bandos.

07-Jul-2014 20:57:42

Athrenn

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Cthris said :
I really like that, it both shows Armadyl in a better light, and shows Bandos military genius. Its further backed up by how close Falador was to Bandos tower, which if your theory is correct would be a prime target for Bandos.

Great point! Maybe he was trying to force Saradomin out of hiding by threatening to raze falador. From there, Bandos could lure him north into his trap.

07-Jul-2014 22:34:10

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