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Dilbert2001
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If the community can't agree on all the new skill proposals, what will happen?

Will they make new non-skill content out of the new skill proposal, given new content is needed but there is no reason why it has to be a skill.

03-Jan-2023 20:24:27

Jeremy Cheng
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Marcia Ress said :
ANGEL0FD30TH said :
Bruce Waayne said :
No way this passed with 80% i dont care what the fanboys say. EVERYONE ive ever talked to in OSRS has been against new skill since the beginning of OSRS until now included. Everyone thinks its a bad idea. Sad this stuff is being forced on us.

You and your friends should make a petition on ridding the voting system seeing you disagree with 80% of us. Welcome to democracy.

This was never a real democracy tho . Not when people have the right to vote more than once with their alt armies . And most certainly not when (almost) everyone has the right to vote . Where i come from people under 18years old don't have voting right , the same way accounts created before 1/1/2019 (and that's me being reasonable) should not have the right to vote in polls . There's only one demographic that matters , the old players , those who have been here before , those who never quit but just take breaks . I am done with new players , other mmo refugees or players who started during the pandemic , they haven't been here before , they lack the wisdom of what a healthy addition/update to the game is .Make these restrictions happen (1 vote per IP,no voting rights accounts that are not 2-3 years old) and then we can talk about democracy , opinions that should be respected and other cute stuff . Till then , the damage is done , the poll passed , so we have another fight ahead of us. There's no way any skill can be a healthy addition to the game , we have to work in future polls and feedback so at least the new skill won't be an unhealthy addition but an indifferent 300-500 hour break from our regular scaping . And of course to fight for assurances that it will be the last ever skill that will come into the game , we can't open this conversation every 3 years like it's a medical prescription .
Exactly my thoughts.

04-Jan-2023 06:29:30

Jeremy Cheng
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The floodgates have opened. The poll should have been longer than barely 6 days, I know people who would have voted either way but couldn't because it was so short. Now that it's passed, yet another new skill will drop in 3-4 years and the dopamine addicts will get another fix. Not only can't I agree with new skill proposals, they didn't even give enough concrete info such as what the name of it will be and if it's even balanced for pvp. Like 'bert said, there's no reason it has to be a skill. Would have rather got varlamore and that wildy expac fast tracked instead of a new skill. Those actually look enticing.

04-Jan-2023 06:39:50

Dilbert2001
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Voting really doesn't mean a whole lot in OSRS now. Just days after Official Account Build failed the poll, they are talking about reworking a new poll to make it pass. :D

I absolutely believe we are going to have a skill, which is 99% pre-determined, regardless of the "polls". Even if it failed, they would rework it just like they are reworking the failed Official Account Build to make it pass eventually.

The whole "Winter Summit" was staged. Can you imagine how a farce OSRS would look if the HUGE updates they hyped up so much failed to materialize? ;)

Just enjoy the old minigame they copied from RS3 first ever OSRS "new" skill. :)

05-Jan-2023 17:46:53 - Last edited on 05-Jan-2023 20:47:23 by Dilbert2001

Miu

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Dilbert2001 said :
If the community can't agree on all the new skill proposals, what will happen?

Will they make new non-skill content out of the new skill proposal, given new content is needed but there is no reason why it has to be a skill.

Jagex doesn't have to implement something that passed a poll.

They can also just repoll whatever they want. How many times did raids rewards get repolled before they passed?

Items dropping instantly for players in the wilderness was polled. It failed. Then jagex forced it in as an "integrity" change.

Yet there is seldom any integrity when jagex polls a monster and then pumps the monster full of overpowered drops, with little regard for the economic impact down the line. PvM is now king, not only in moneymaking but in gathering skilling resources.

At the end of the day, they'll do what they want.
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05-Jan-2023 19:54:20

Dilbert2001
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Miu said :
Dilbert2001 said :
If the community can't agree on all the new skill proposals, what will happen?

Will they make new non-skill content out of the new skill proposal, given new content is needed but there is no reason why it has to be a skill.

Jagex doesn't have to implement something that passed a poll.

They can also just repoll whatever they want. How many times did raids rewards get repolled before they passed?

Items dropping instantly for players in the wilderness was polled. It failed. Then jagex forced it in as an "integrity" change.

Yet there is seldom any integrity when jagex polls a monster and then pumps the monster full of overpowered drops, with little regard for the economic impact down the line. PvM is now king, not only in moneymaking but in gathering skilling resources.

At the end of the day, they'll do what they want.

I know about the integrity thing, as well as Jagex doesn't even need a poll to implement an update (e.g. Partnership without even a re-pool after the failed MTX poll).

However, the interesting thing is in the Winter Summit they told us if the Community tells them no in polls, they will just stop and regroup. Yes, they can force the issue if they want to, but that will be hilarious given their high profiled announcement of the new skill in the hyped Winter Summit.

05-Jan-2023 20:52:56

Theo1143
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Dilbert2001 said :
Hence, they have no choice but to just copy content from RS3 and recycle content like Bounty Hunter from the trash bin. So voting or not is just academic, as we are going to see all kind of RS3 content, mind it Mahjarrat, Dragonkin, D&D like Evil Tree, Wilderness Flash Events, or Skills like Dungeoneering or Player Owned Port which they will just call it "Sailing".

When that happens I'm out already.
Wondering If I still should stick around or not with the auto mute.
Any game that has a auto mute system in place actually hates their own players. They only see their players as a money roll.

I understand what your saying and in some way it makes sense.
It some other it is not the full truth, jagex is bad with money.
How much money they made with rs3 and still do even if they have 3 times less players than osrs is because of all the gambling.

Online games need sharks, not players to survive.
The players makes the different if a world is felt alive or dead.
But the sharks keep the game alive because 1 person puts in 3.000 euro + every single month so you only need a couple.

Problem with that is in osrs there is no way of doing that.
The only thing you can do with real money beside member are bonds.
While rs3 gambling just gives you skills expierence from the get go.
In osrs you need to be able to train that skill with money before it is a gain.

And then still, it is more a kin to buying 7-8mill than gambling.
And we know gambling brings in a much higher profit.
The only down side is that a gambler who quits gambling never returns.

Rs3 has sharks and that is why it makes a lot more profit.
But as said before, jagex is bad with money...
Long story short, doesn't matter how much money you give jagex.
They will and they are, broke. Sometimes people think they know, but do they really?

13-Jan-2023 16:23:29 - Last edited on 13-Jan-2023 16:25:38 by Theo1143

Dilbert2001
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^^
I don't know about the "sharks" in RS3, but we should be able to see the gambling whales in OSRS easily. Hint... hint... 31% of OSRS's daily gp sink came from Duel/PvP Arena.

Skills have become irrelevant in OSRS rapidly, especially to the whales when they can lose all their gp converted from bonds MTX without leveling any skills thanks to all kinds of OSRS game modes have no persistent progression implemented. Who care if they can buy max herblore, firemaking and such in OSRS with real money in OSRS when these "skills" mean nothing other than a tiny cosmetic "achievement" they called Hiscores?

In OSRS, skills are just minigames. Forever restarting-from-min-levels game modes are what OSRS actually is.

Whether you leave or not, it won't matter as we are going to get a new "skill" in OSRS anyway, only that "skill" is the same old forever-restarting-from-min-level-scheme players like GIM may like. What's in your wallet? How much can you afford to buy leeching services to buy your Max Cape back? ;)

13-Jan-2023 17:31:44

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