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E I E dInO
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E I E dInO said :
E I E dInO said :
They will certainly announce a new skill. It is OSRS's Hail Mary to pray for new players will come. However, those who think it will be a long time before we will actually see the new skill is right. Like all those crowd funded games, as long as OSRS keeps failing to attract new players, they aren't going to release their hyped content.

Whatever skills they are going to implement may not be too significant too, as they are selling the hype, not the skill. We have already seen OSRS taking 4 months to just release their 3 skill proposals without any concrete designs to show.

I don't believe they have shown any new players why they should play OSRS instead of all those much better quality games in 2023, not that modern games who have seen everything in the industry still want to invest in a crowd funding project anyway. Those who are in the small consultancy group to the devs hopping to make money from a new skill will be very disappointed.

Based on the many concerns on Sailing expressed in social media which the OSRS team admitted, I expect the next few phases of development and refinements won't be smooth sail at all.

Anyway, OSRS is just selling the hype, not really the skill. I think they will rather have a long refinement cycle instead of releasing something only about one third of their players voted for. The more refined the requirements of Sailing are, the smaller their potential targets become. It is actually bad news, especially when hardly any new players is hyped by a minigame in an old MMO, and the targets are already getting smaller after they selected the new skill.

What they are doing with Game Jam is what they are doing with the new skill. The "refinement" stages are all about rehashing the same things over and over again. It won't come out this year, or may not even next year.

20-Apr-2023 16:26:09

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See? OSRS is just selling the hype of something they called a new skill. They have no idea what it will be. They are just wishing to attract some hot monies. Of course they won't release anything this year because no fish bites. We may not see anything next year.

25-Apr-2023 16:54:10

Dilbert2001
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Whether you voted for a new skill or if the new skill will be eventually released may be a mood point soon, as OSRS has revealed their desire to release a RS3 style Completionist Cape which looks almost identical to the RS3 Comp Cape.

I know plenty of players are afraid a new skill will render their hard earn Max Cape worth less or worthless, but it will be insignificant anyway when the OSRS Comp Cape comes.

28-Apr-2023 17:35:53

Dilbert2001
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Good news and bad news for players who voted no to the new skill, or voted yes but have changed their opinions since then.

The good news is the hype is already fading fast. Over 170k players participated in the voting process of a new skill the past few months, but only less than 10% of them remain active in the refinement poll. The even more foretelling fact is only 5% of the 17k (or about 850 players) are below total level 1200. Very few low level players, let alone new players, are interested in the new skill. This is actually a very bad sign to OSRS and the very very small group of players consulting the devs rely on new players to make profits. They probably will drag this refinement process on until they can find new audience.

However, the bad news is the project will drag on perhaps even to 2025, and OSRS will likely double down on the efforts on their sale pitches. Developers are going to spend even more time trying to market the new skill. This means less development time for other projects.

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07-May-2023 01:13:12

Lelouch Vi B
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Dilbert2001 said :
Good news and bad news for players who voted no to the new skill, or voted yes but have changed their opinions since then.

The good news is the hype is already fading fast. Over 170k players participated in the voting process of a new skill the past few months, but only less than 10% of them remain active in the refinement poll. The even more foretelling fact is only 5% of the 17k (or about 850 players) are below total level 1200. Very few low level players, let alone new players, are interested in the new skill. This is actually a very bad sign to OSRS and the very very small group of players consulting the devs rely on new players to make profits. They probably will drag this refinement process on until they can find new audience.


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07-May-2023 02:49:22

Dilbert2001
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Lelouch Vi B said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Good news and bad news for players who voted no to the new skill, or voted yes but have changed their opinions since then.

The good news is the hype is already fading fast. Over 170k players participated in the voting process of a new skill the past few months, but only less than 10% of them remain active in the refinement poll. The even more foretelling fact is only 5% of the 17k (or about 850 players) are below total level 1200. Very few low level players, let alone new players, are interested in the new skill. This is actually a very bad sign to OSRS and the very very small group of players consulting the devs rely on new players to make profits. They probably will drag this refinement process on until they can find new audience.


Did you participate in this second refinement poll?

No, just like the over 90% of the participants in the first voting we lost interest already. I am impartial to whether Sailing comes out or not anyway. I picked Taming and would be interested in refinements of it. Sailing and Shamanism will fail anyway. It will only be unconstructive to increase the voter count if I vote something like "I don't care" in the refinement survey.

07-May-2023 03:16:45 - Last edited on 07-May-2023 03:23:34 by Dilbert2001

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Dilbert2001 said :

No, just like the over 90% of the participants in the first voting we lost interest already. I am impartial to whether Sailing comes out or not anyway. I picked Taming and would be interested in refinements of it. Sailing and Shamanism will fail anyway. It will only be unconstructive to increase the voter count if I vote something like "I don't care" in the refinement survey.

You could have voiced that in the second poll. Simply deciding the exact outcome you wanted didn't win, and kicking over the proverbial game board isn't constructive. I wanted Shamanism, not Sailing, yet I still participated, because I want to make sure whatever enters this game is as good as it can be. You could have made a much bigger statement if 90% of the responses were "I don't care" rather than just not responding, because Jagex would have had to address why the biggest bar on the graph by far is made up of players who don't want it.


Did you even open the poll in game and look at the questions on it? Or did you just ignore it?


Dilbert2001 said :

If it is a real skill like Summoning in RS3, or Warding/Sailing as OSRS proposed in the past, I will say yes.

What happened to this sentiment you had at the start about voting yes if it's Sailing? Why were you willing to vote yes on Sailing then, but not now? Because something you wanted more didn't win? The same thing happened to me, but it doesn't mean I suddenly don't want something I did want before. Now with added
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07-May-2023 03:29:07 - Last edited on 07-May-2023 03:38:28 by Lelouch Vi B

Dilbert2001
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Of course I just ignored the refinement polls and any more of them later, because like the over 90% of 1st poll voters, we lost interest.

"Dilbert2001 said:

If it is a
real skill
like Summoning in RS3, or Warding/Sailing as OSRS proposed in the past, I will say yes."


TYVM for quoting my post in its entirety, the "Sailing" they are polling now in OSRS is not a
real skill
, it is a minigame. It is not even the
Sailing in the past
.

07-May-2023 04:02:22

Lelouch Vi B
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Dilbert2001 said :
Of course I just ignored the refinement polls and any more of them later, because like the over 90% of 1st poll voters, we lost interest.

"Dilbert2001 said:

If it is a
real skill
like Summoning in RS3, or Warding/Sailing as OSRS proposed in the past, I will say yes."


TYVM for quoting my post in its entirety, the "Sailing" they are polling now in OSRS is not a
real skill
, it is a minigame. It is not even the
Sailing in the past
.

Really? Frankly I must say I'm impressed that you know this. Tell me, which part of the Sailing skill they've proposed now makes it a minigame? I'm genuinely curious.

P.S. I hate to tell you, but the reason the second "poll" had less engagement is because it wasn't a poll. It wasn't in-game. It was a webpage you had to open on your browser and fill out a survey that took 10-20 minutes depending on how much you wrote. Compare that to a 1 question poll that was in-game that took 20 seconds to complete; it's no wonder it had less interaction. External RS surveys have always had significantly less engagement than the in-game polls, simply due to convenience. The exact same thing happened in RS3 when it still did regular polls/surveys. Unfortunately, in RS3 we see almost 0 polls anymore, and the few we do see get less than 10k votes total. Now with added
[SARCASM]
Warnings for those less astute!

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07-May-2023 04:12:39 - Last edited on 07-May-2023 04:15:34 by Lelouch Vi B

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