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Dilbert2001
Jun Member 2006

Dilbert2001

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Didn't you read through posts on this thread at all? Like...

"Sailing is the most interesting and well defined of the 3 "skills" proposed because RS3's POP and seafaring activities this skill is copying from are very interesting, but we can and should implement it as a minigame."
- Page 9, Post 2

Oh wait... You definitely read it, and replied to it too on the very next post. :D

Oh wait again.... Even if you didn't get it, OSRS got it:

"Executive Summary

As Old School RuneScape’s first new skill, Sailing has a lot of potential! The 17,000 responses to our refinement survey have highlighted some key areas to focus on throughout the next few months. Here are the stats:

Sailing was the first choice of skill for 48% of respondents.
Players would like to see more information in order to visualise Sailing as a skill, particularly regarding navigational mechanics and fine gameplay detail.

There’s no overall consensus from players on how navigation should work, but point and click remains popular because it’s familiar and intuitive.
Integration with other skills and areas is a must - how much is still to be determined.
There wasn't a consensus on how Sailing should integrate with other skills, just that it should to some degree.
The Reward Space for Sailing could include any of the options we presented - they were all well-received.
Despite Sailing not being instanced, there are still concerns that the concept feels better suited to a sea expansion or minigame."


Substantial amounts of players share my point of view, and OSRS acknowledged the concerns.

Somebody seems to have forgotten we used to run polls on the websites in the past and got well more than 17k votes.

07-May-2023 04:28:54 - Last edited on 07-May-2023 04:41:13 by Dilbert2001

Lelouch Vi B
Jan Member 2017

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Dilbert2001 said :
Didn't you read through posts on this thread at all? Like...

"Sailing is the most interesting and well defined of the 3 "skills" proposed because RS3's POP and seafaring activities this skill is copying from are very interesting, but we can and should implement it as a minigame."
- Page 9, Post 2

Oh wait... You definitely read it, and replied to it too on the very next post. :D

Ohh yes I read it. I'm just curious as to which of the "many" details about the skill make it a minigame now. You know, considering they've given 0 details about how the skill will work? The only info they've given us is that there will be boats, we will control them, and there will be new islands. So tell me. Which parts of that are a minigame? You seem so confident in your statement, so I really must know what inside information Jagex has given you on this skill that they've given to literally no one else. When you make a claim, and then someone asks you to support that claim with evidence, it is not sufficient to simply point to a time in the past when you made the same claim.

"I won the Tour de France in 2012!"
>"Really? Can you show me some proof?"
"Yes! Here's a quote of me saying the same thing 2 weeks ago!"


Dilbert2001 said :

Somebody seems to have forgotten we used to run polls on the websites in the past and got well more than 17k votes.

Yes and we also used to get our news in a News Paper. But if a society gets used to reading their news on their phone, and one day their phone said "read this story in your news paper." just how many people do you think would actually do it? We live in a society of convenience; people complain about 15 second Youtube ads. Times change and so do expectations. Now with added
[SARCASM]
Warnings for those less astute!

Archaeology Elite Skill Suggestion

07-May-2023 04:40:04 - Last edited on 07-May-2023 04:45:54 by Lelouch Vi B

Dilbert2001
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Everything OSRS talked about in Sailing, like ship missions, sea monsters, special events etc are all POP content in RS3. POP is not skill. It is a D&D minigame. Event the navigation part, it is just like what we have seen in The Deadliest Catch quest. It is crystal clear a lot of OSRS players realized it too.

The OSRS Team realized and show you the proof already:

"Players would like to see more information in order to visualise Sailing as a skill, particularly regarding navigational mechanics and fine gameplay detail."

"Despite Sailing not being instanced, there are still concerns that the concept feels better suited to a sea expansion or minigame."


If players were interested, they would vote regardless where the poll was hosted. A lot of players got the news about the refinement poll on the OSRS and Reddit websites anyway.

07-May-2023 04:49:10 - Last edited on 07-May-2023 04:51:05 by Dilbert2001

Lelouch Vi B
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Dilbert2001 said :
Everything OSRS talked about in Sailing, like ship missions, sea monsters, special events etc are all POP content in RS3. POP is not skill. It is a D&D minigame. Event the navigation part, it is just like what we have seen in The Deadliest Catch quest. It is crystal clear a lot of OSRS players realized it too.

Dang! I have been away from my ports for too long! I had no idea we can now control the ships ourselves and go out and fight sea monsters! That's sick! When did this update happen??? And what kind of events? I'm so excited to get over to my ports and start getting into Pirate ship battles and navigating wicked storms! I certainly hope you're not just suggesting that the stupid little "your ship has done X" messages you get from time to time are not the same as actually participating in this stuff! But I must say, I seriously hope it's not like the Deadliest Catch quest. That quest sucked and the cape req for redoing the catch so many times was annoying...


Dilbert2001 said :

The OSRS Team realized and show you the proof already:

"Players would like to see more information in order to visualise Sailing as a skill, particularly regarding navigational mechanics and fine gameplay detail."

"Despite Sailing not being instanced, there are still concerns that the concept feels better suited to a sea expansion or minigame."



Addressing peoples' concerns about a potential problem, is not the same as stating the problem exists. They've also stated a number of times that Sailing Skill will not be like PoP. Now with added
[SARCASM]
Warnings for those less astute!

Archaeology Elite Skill Suggestion

07-May-2023 04:56:01 - Last edited on 07-May-2023 04:57:58 by Lelouch Vi B

Dilbert2001
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Lelouch Vi B said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Everything OSRS talked about in Sailing, like ship missions, sea monsters, special events etc are all POP content in RS3. POP is not skill. It is a D&D minigame. Event the navigation part, it is just like what we have seen in The Deadliest Catch quest. It is crystal clear a lot of OSRS players realized it too.

Dang! I have been away from my ports for too long! I had no idea we can now control the ships ourselves and go out and fight sea monsters! That's sick! When did this update happen??? But I must say, I seriously hope it's not like the Deadliest Catch quest. That quest sucked and the cape req for redoing the catch so many times was annoying...


Dilbert2001 said :

The OSRS Team realized and show you the proof already:

"Players would like to see more information in order to visualise Sailing as a skill, particularly regarding navigational mechanics and fine gameplay detail."

"Despite Sailing not being instanced, there are still concerns that the concept feels better suited to a sea expansion or minigame."



Addressing peoples' concerns about a potential problem, is not the same as stating the problem exists. They've also stated a number of times that Sailing Skill will not be like PoP.

The players stated the problem Sailing is a minigame exists clearly. OSRS is just being constructive to admit they recognized what a lot of players think, instead of giving us a fake report and telling us everybody liked it as well as trying their hardest dissing the constructive criticisms.

07-May-2023 04:59:09 - Last edited on 07-May-2023 05:00:58 by Dilbert2001

Dilbert2001
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Some more official OSRS surveys and polls numbers regarding the new skills:

44k players participated in the new skill sales pitch survey and 138k participated in the voting

"In the time between our previous update and today, we’ve received over 138,000 votes and 44,000 survey"


https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/adding-a-new-skill-introducing-sailing-taming-and-shamanism-?oldschool=1

178k players (a 40k or almost 30% increase) voted in the final skill selection process and since then only 17k (a drop of 27k or over 60%) remained to participate in the first phase of the refinement process.

09-May-2023 19:09:45 - Last edited on 09-May-2023 19:39:08 by Dilbert2001

Alpaca

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JorgiePorgie said :
I also think adding a new skill is important for the health of the game. RuneScape 2 added new skills and it was just fine. Slayer, farming, construction, hunting, these are still treasured by people who play OSRS. Correct me if I'm wrong, because it's been so long ago, but weren't summoning and dungeoneering added prior to EoC as well? So, technically they're "Old School" skills as well, but they were left out of OSRS. Why? Probably because they left a bad taste in the mouths of players. I didn't care for summoning personally but I thought dungeoneering was cool. Did it need to be a skill? No probably not, but I still think it was fun.

The point is the game needs new skills in order to continue to generate hype for existing and new players. The purists won't agree and that's fine. They're clearly in the minority when it comes to this. Previous skills were VERY close to passing and only fell short by a few percentage points. And that's WITH Jagex coming to us and saying, "here's a new skill, do you want it?" I think we'll see more support from players with Jagex working with the community from start to finish.

We'll see, but I hope this poll passes.

No offense but you do know Old School is not PRE EOC right? Its the 2004-2007 era before the changes between Late 2007 / Early 2008 through 2011 occurred. Which was the downfall of the game. EOC just was a later downfall when the game was already struggling.

Old School RS is also a copy of the game at 461 Revision and the first RWTing updates began at 473 but the first major adjustment was Grand Exchange at 478 and then from 481 to 483 all the RWTing changes completed.

10-May-2023 20:33:25 - Last edited on 10-May-2023 20:40:58 by Alpaca

E I E dInO
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What is the OSRS team still advertising to everybody on their official Twitter homepage they are proposing three band-new skills when they have already polled it over a month ago and selected Sailing?

"Old School RuneScape
@OldSchoolRS
✨ We're proposing three brand-new skills for Old School RuneScape!"

https://twitter.com/OldSchoolRS/

17-May-2023 21:16:05

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