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Curious thing, because I remember the exact opposite.

If you think the point was that the untradeable discontinued holiday items are about showing off account age, you completely missed it. The actual point was to be able to display having truly played the game during a specific time period, e.g. during a certain year's Christmas event.

Whenever you see an account with e.g. the Christmas wand, you know that they played during the Christmas of 2011 and that they completed the event, since they wouldn't have it otherwise. In comparison, if you see an account with any of the veteran capes, there is no way to know from the veteran cape whether they played during 2011 Christmas or not, let alone if they completed the event or not. Veteran capes only display account age, they don't say anything about when or how much you've played. In essence, they're mostly meaningless, aside from their graphical appearance.

There's also one major issue with veteran capes that further devalues their meaning: despite the official ironman mode having been released less than 5 years ago, . This is because the timer that counts your account age begins to count even before you log in to the game, so you can just create an account, not log into it for years, come back and log in to claim veteran capes, despite never having logged in prior.

All in all, veteran capes are no substitute to holiday items.

And regarding the "replica" wording on the replicas, already explained before why it's not distinctive: you wouldn't be able to tell from looking at the appearance of a replica and original which is which. Not to mention that it gives nothing new to the old owners, which would be possible with newer versions that look slightly different but still keep to the original design.

My bad, it seems I wasn't clear enough: I meant time travelling . People who earned e.g. the Christmas wand, did so by completing the 2011 Christmas event... in 2011 Christmas. If you did the same now except that you completed it in 2019 Christmas for example, you would've earned it differently than the original owners.

If you're thinking "well why does that matter", the game is different now to what it was back then. Graphics have changed, combat system has changed, playerbase has changed, the game client has changed, the jmods have changed etc, there's literally no limit to the amount of things that have changed since the times when people originally earned their untradeable discontinued holiday items. The only way for those conditions to be the same would be by travelling back in time, in real life.

Exactly, and that is why you cannot earn the originals the same way in a replica event as you did in the original event back then. It differs from the original.

Depends on the suggestion: if you're looking to rerelease the discontinued holiday items (or making alternatives that only differ in name and not visually), you're going to devalue the originals and piss people off. If you're looking to add new versions of the discontinued holiday items that keep to the original design but still look distinctively different, then you're fine.

So there is no distinctive difference when looking at them visually. That's an issue, because there needs to be one.

Obviously the same mistake can happen more than once, if you're careless and/or don't learn from the first time. Doesn't mean that you should actively want that though, because it's human to make mistakes, but stupid not to learn from them.