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Whatusaytome
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Isnt it funny how Blackwing is the only person following Barney (how I met your mother) with the New is Always Better rule?

This suggestion that Jagex made first, is about the old items. So dont expect a graphical difference to them when it eventually happens. Otherwise they wont be the old items.

New is not always better and there's a clear majority support towards the old items.

I don't see anybody else here saying they require some drastic change. So all in all, Blackwing and his ideals can simply be ignored.

I'm also pretty sure loyalty points can only be earned, not simply bought, so by being members for long enough, they earn every purchase. I dont remember having to earn a rune platebody before being able to purchase the replica metal armor sets.

And again, if there is an actual issue regarding a Replica Easter Ring, then it's a personal problem only. It's not a requirement to please Blackwing to allow an update to happen.

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Also in regards to doing the actual event, I'd happily bump Shifu's suggestion for a portal to replay events if that's what it takes. I'd support if we could replay events for the rewards.

Edit: it appears that Shifu's suggestion for a portal to replay the events has exceeded page 50. So no longer exists for us to bump. Shame... it was a nice thread..

I'd happily remake it if it's something more people would rather happen :) personally I think if they polled replaying the events for the rewards, less people would be inclined to say no, and would pass even a 75% poll.
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01-Jul-2019 16:21:11 - Last edited on 01-Jul-2019 20:35:07 by Whatusaytome

Draco Burnz
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Whatusaytome said :
Also in regards to doing the actual event, I'd happily bump Shifu's suggestion for a portal to replay events if that's what it takes. I'd support if we could replay events for the rewards.

Edit: it appears that Shifu's suggestion for a portal to replay the events has exceeded page 50. So no longer exists for us to bump. Shame... it was a nice thread..

I'd happily remake it if it's something more people would rather happen personally I think if they polled replaying the events for the rewards, less people would be inclined to say no, and would pass even a 75% poll.

Nah, if you choose to miss events when they're officially released, you still lose all rights to owning the rewards.

You shouldnt be allowed any second chances because of a personal reasoning of not doing the events.

Also, im not suprised you still havent learned anything form the original holiday polls.

Even though they did "pass" they still didnt happen.

So what makes you think this would?
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01-Jul-2019 21:00:35 - Last edited on 01-Jul-2019 21:02:14 by Draco Burnz

Whatusaytome
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Also, as I've said before, I gain nothing until I am able to invest in a computer, and that's not a priority for me to drop a few hundred dollars on just yet. So my support for this is far from personal.

I support because Jagex wanted to do it first, and because it's been something people have always wanted. I support people buying anything cosmetic if it's in their interests or ability to do so, and I'm fine with Jagex recycling old content that's not been recycled yet.

I'm fine with any method of return, whether they simply gave them to everybody free of charge, or sold them for loyalty or rc, or sold them in game for gp, or if we even were able to redo the events for them. Forcing it to be time restricted to over a decade ago does nothing for anybody. You aren't special and other people, like Jagex, can gain from it.

I support recycling and I support company profit. Obviously you do too, you want them to sell partyhat overrides. You just dont care for the people in game who'd actually lose money from your suggestion. Nobody loses anything with this.
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01-Jul-2019 22:22:13

H4rry
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Sharp-shin said :

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Well, for items that aren't cosmetic such as the Easter Ring, I think it's called - the one that turns you into an egg, that can easily be made an emote which you can buy, or even a ring which turns you into a cracked egg. Anything not cosmetic can be altered slightly from the original whilst still keeping to what it is.

I see what you mean how it would devalue their meaning, but they were always only meant to be a bit of fun for the community. That's why I think we should be able to purchase the ones we have missed, because it should be fun for the entire community, not just the people who weren't on holidays with their families, studying, sick, or whatever during the period the event took place. We don't want to take away from the people who did the event, we want to give to those who couldn't, or didn't for whatever reason.

I wouldn't say that you get it for no work, because the event is literally a 20 minute bit of fun that you would miss out on. Besides, I would imagine that the holiday items would cost a hefty chunk of loyalty points so that you couldn't go on a spending spree and get every single one. Maybe 1 or 2 for a years worth of loyalty points? I would also imagine they wouldn't be added to the store for an entire year, making each event have two lots of rewards in a way.

02-Jul-2019 03:20:44

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H4rry said :
Well, for items that aren't cosmetic such as the Easter Ring, I think it's called - the one that turns you into an egg, that can easily be made an emote which you can buy, or even a ring which turns you into a cracked egg. Anything not cosmetic can be altered slightly from the original whilst still keeping to what it is.
There you go, a new Easter ring turning you into a cracked egg would actually make a difference. Making it an emote that turns you to the same egg as the original Easter ring would, again, make no genuine difference between it and the original Easter ring.


H4rry said :
*snip for second paragraph*
So then why not add something new that's even better and gives something for old owners as well? Just as your cracked Easter egg suggestion would genuinely distinguish between the two, while still retaining the theme and giving it to new players too.

Btw, Jagex wouldn't have discontinued the holiday items if they didn't want them to remain more meaningful than that. Let alone kept it going for all these years.


H4rry said :
*snip for last paragraph*
Being there at the time and earning the rewards is what makes them meaning, not how long it takes. If it was a long task to earn them anyway, even some of those who could participate might not have the time. No matter what the cost for buying them would be, if you could just buy them, it'd devalue them for those who earned them, unless of course you made them genuinely different by making a difference in the graphical appearance as well. That which would also give something new for the old owners, instead of only some players.
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02-Jul-2019 04:07:12

H4rry
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Sharp-shin said :
Btw, Jagex wouldn't have discontinued the holiday items if they didn't want them to remain more meaningful than that. Let alone kept it going for all these years.[/snow]

Well, there have been a couple items "discontinued" that have made a return. Off the top of my head, one or two Christmas events ago we saw the return of the ice necklace and snow globe from 2007/8. So why is it that these items can be re-released yet others can not?

Sharp-shin said :
Being there at the time and earning the rewards is what makes them meaning, not how long it takes. If it was a long task to earn them anyway, even some of those who could participate might not have the time. No matter what the cost for buying them would be, if you could just buy them, it'd devalue them for those who earned them.[/snow]

Okay, I understand this as well. So why not release them to the store, but only make them available to purchase during their respective event time? People who weren't able to log in during the time shouldn't have to miss out. This way anyone will be able to purchase them during that time considering you don't need to log in to access the Solomon's Store.

But I also do like the idea of making them slightly different in appearance, so long as it doesn't take away from their original design. Like I wouldn't want to see a scythe turn into a rake.

02-Jul-2019 04:38:34

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H4rry said :
Well, there have been a couple items "discontinued" that have made a return. Off the top of my head, one or two Christmas events ago we saw the return of the ice necklace and snow globe from 2007/8. So why is it that these items can be re-released yet others can not?
Rereleasing those was a mistake, from which Jagex seems to have learned from by not repeating it. If people started demanding Jagex to do certain things because they made a certain mistake once, Jagex would learn to abuse that by "making mistakes" deliberately, just so they'd then have some people back them under the reasoning of "well you already did it once, might as well do so again".


H4rry said :
*snip 2nd paragraph*
Much of the historical value would still be lost, because e.g. when you see someone with a Christmas wand currently, you know for 100% certainty that it was earned from completing the 2011 Christmas event, thus telling you that the account was playing at that time period. If you could get the wand from any Christmas event, that value would be lost.

I know it probably sounds harsh, but
beyond time traveling back to the past, there is no way for someone to earn the discontinued holiday items like the original owners did
. That's not meant to say that it was difficult to earn those items back then, but rather that even if you tried your hardest to replicate how the game was back during a certain holiday event in the present, something would always be different in the replica and thus not be equal to the original.


H4rry said :
But I also do like the idea of making them slightly different in appearance, so long as it doesn't take away from their original design. Like I wouldn't want to see a scythe turn into a rake.
Naturally, the important thing is genuine distinction, keeping original design with it.
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02-Jul-2019 14:32:37

Whatusaytome
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Ffs Blackwing. Jagex does not need to learn any lessons about what can be rereleased or not.

There is no value to lose. Everything you complain about is highly personal and you are not right when you say it's a mistake to rerelease anything.

Snow globe returning pleased a lot of people. Ice necklace gave people a fun pet imp. Anybody who complained about those coming back because they felt it glorified them is an entitled sack of dung that can go screw themselves.

It's that entitled behavior that's in need of change.

And it's obvious you dont even read my posts because you still think it's impossible to allow people to earn them by replaying events. You don't care about anybody but yourself and you need to get the f over it.

No distinctions need be made except replica or copy. These are cosmetics and toys that don't do anything to make you better at anything. You won't care one bit when it actually happens.

In the end, you will get over it just like you did with the combat academy change. Entitled troll.
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02-Jul-2019 16:15:58

H4rry
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Sharp-shin said :
Rereleasing those was a mistake, from which Jagex seems to have learned from by not repeating it.

I wouldn't say that, people seemed to be happy with those items being re-released. Personally, I got them all those years ago and didn't care that they were re-released.

Sharp-shin said :
Much of the historical value would still be lost, because e.g. when you see someone with a Christmas wand currently, you know for 100% certainty that it was earned from completing the 2011 Christmas event, thus telling you that the account was playing at that time period. If you could get the wand from any Christmas event, that value would be lost.

We have veteran capes that you can wear to show off you accounts age. And like I said before, "replica" on the purchasable cosmetic overrides wouldn't diminish the historical value.

Sharp-shin said :
I know it probably sounds harsh, but beyond time traveling back to the past, there is no way for someone to earn the discontinued holiday items like the original owners did.

Wasn't that the 2016 Christmas Event? Going back into the past and doing past Christmas Events? Why not just make this a feature every holiday where a player can step through a portal and complete past events and receive the rewards? (Keeping to the theme of this post each event can be unlocked through loyalty points) Then people will have "earned" it as they have done the event.

Sharp-shin said :
but rather that even if you tried your hardest to replicate how the game was back during a certain holiday event in the present, something would always be different in the replica and thus not be equal to the original.
That's the point of a replica.

03-Jul-2019 06:23:13

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