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Windsofnight
Mar Member 2017

Windsofnight

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@Wilf, Hi, as mention my visit to the MRT was regarding the moderation of a Jmod Tidbit. A Jmod Tidbit is, well, you know, this thread is full of them, what a Jmod has communicated on a social media platform. I agree that it is tragic that solution #3 was chosen by consensus.

Lol, I did not name & shame anyone, not my style. Besides if CM felt that I did do that in my commentary, which was only a comment to the topic, then solution #1 would have been chosen.

I specifically asked multiple times about additional censorship parameters for future Jmod Tidbits in both of my queries on the MRT & have also communicated about them on this thread. CM did not communicate to me that there were any additional censorship parameters.

For the record, I have no problems working within additional censorship parameters. I think most folks will agree that no one should have to guess what those additional censorship parameters are if there are any. It is not an unreasonable expectation for me to have that if there were any then CM would of communicated those to me since I am the one posting the Jmod Tidbits to RSOF.

Clear communication & transparency are important. Tbh, it is pretty easy to do once you get the hang of it & you know what, folks appreciate it when you do communicate clearly & are transparent.

After all, the folks that are using RSOF are customers of Jagex that provide the revenue stream that keeps the doors open at Jagex that trickles down that pays salaries & benefits. Clear communication & transparency is what they deserve. I sometimes think that important fact gets lost along the way.

Moving forward, I am in the process of putting together Part 2 of the Charitable Giving & the Menaphos features that contained information that was posted to social media platforms, along with a variety of other stuff that was posted to social media but never made its way to RSOF that I had held off posting while this issue was in lingering limbo waiting to be resolved.
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17-May-2017 23:23:49

2_Tron

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Windsofnight said :
FUTURE JMOD TIDBITS

...I am in communication with the CM team regarding this as you can note by Mod Matthew answer on the MRT. Hopefully, there is agreement that there should not be any censorship parameters on RSOF when it comes to posting what a Jmod has communicated on social media being posted to RSOF too... Everything Jagex / JMods are posting outside The Office in Public can be posted elsewhere in Public.

The Rules violated by JMods themselves on third party websites is not your responsibility and thus you can't be accounted for in anyway.
Do Forum Moderators see an Jagex / JMods anomaly of a huge magnitude then they need to take that up to Jagex / JMods but not hide that anomaly from Public view here in The RSOF.
What has happened happened and can't be swept under the carpet as if it never did occur anywhere.
Jagex / JMods should take their responsibility and never should have made it come that far if they didn't like it that way.
That what happened to your thread should have been corrected instantly because no Rule was broken, only by Jagex but that is another discussion.

*edit* Jagex / JMods

18-May-2017 08:39:17 - Last edited on 18-May-2017 08:41:07 by 2_Tron

Mod Balance

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I've unhidden your post Windsofnight - as it references Jagex Moderator posts made on other community forums. I think this is a useful repository of JMod interaction on other sites, and is of benefit to the community for sure. :)

I'd suggest we leave out any analysis/commentary in future posts, but in this case I am going to allow an exception to the "no naming and shaming" rule as it is of particular interest to the community - and the posts were made by a JMod.

(For the record, the FMod was right to hide it - as this is an exception to the rule, rather than a change to it).
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18-May-2017 11:24:31

Wilf
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I'd be interested to hear which bit is the shaming bit I'm sure Winds would too as he's commented that as far as he's aware he didn't.

Is you jagex removing her fmod status shameful?

Is it people discussing it that is shameful?

Is it because people posted negatively about Mod Kalaya in the images on reddit?

Or is it something I've not picked up on?


Anyway I think it is good the decision has been reversed despite it probably being a relatively small number of people aware of the post.

Naturally I'm curious as to why the change of mind two days after the decision to leave it hidden was posted.

Winds I look forward to your future posts and hope you don't change your style of posting over this

18-May-2017 18:29:18

Windsofnight
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Windsofnight

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@Mod Balance, Thank you for unhiding the moderated Jmod Tidbit. Thank you for the kind words as well as they are very much appreciated. However, I do have a few questions for clarity's sake so that we are both on the same page so to speak.

About the 'exception to the rule' part of your post, I know I did not name & shame anyone & I know you did not name & shame anyone either. I have mentioned that in previous posts regarding the Future of Jmod Tidbits & also on the An Apology thread Qfc 75-76-123-65909547.

Could you please be so kind as to clarify the who or what exactly is contained within the opening post and/or comments of the images of the Jmod Tidbit that you replied to that got moderated that falls under the moderation rule as naming & shaming you mention in your post?

Tbh, I see nothing within the opening post and/or comments of the images of the Jmod Tidbit that you replied to that got moderated that I haven't read right here on RSOF. Nor are the opening post and/or comments dissimilar from what has been contained within the opening posts and/or comments of other Jmod Tidbits posted to RSOF over the years either.

It appears to me that only you, Mod Matthe & Tren all know what is contained within the images of the Jmod Tidbit that got moderated. Rather than have me or the community try to guess what it is, could you please be so kind as to share that important bit of information with me at least?

That information is important because it appears that there are additional censorship parameters that I must follow before posting future Jmod Tidbits. I would like to know what those additional censorship parameters are so I may continue posting Jmod Tidbits.

continued on next post...
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19-May-2017 15:02:43 - Last edited on 19-May-2017 15:05:13 by Windsofnight

Windsofnight
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Windsofnight

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Although I am sure you are already aware, here is a list of the censorship parameters that I already adhere to for Jmod Tidbits.

1. I already edit out curse words that appear in opening posts & comments from a reddit threads.
2. I already edit out the author name of a reddit thread.
3. I already edit out the commenters name of a reddit thread.

Here is a list of what I DO NOT EDIT:

1. I DO NOT EDIT a Jmods reply.
2. I DO NOT EDIT a Jmods opening post or a title of their thread that they have created.

Additional censorship parameters?

1. Do not post a personal opinion on topic to the Jmod Tidbit to a Jmod Tidbit?
2. First find out what the rule breaking content in the moderated Jmod Tidbit is in order to edit out similar such content on future Jmod Tidbits?

As previously mentioned I have no problem working within additional censorship parameters, however, I do need to know what those additional censorship parameters are in order to do so.

Thank you.
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19-May-2017 15:02:48 - Last edited on 19-May-2017 15:07:12 by Windsofnight

Windsofnight
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Windsofnight

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@Mod Balance, I hope you don't mind that I ask you another question. Please correct me if I am wrong but isn't it true that r/reddit is an Official Jagex Approved Fansite & that part of Jagex's fansite approval process & criterion for fansite recognition is that fansites must comply with Jagex's T&C & the Rules of RuneScape, (which would include any subset rules per the T&C)?

It appears that the answer to this is yes but I thought I would get your confirmation on that.



How is it possible that the content that a Jmod has replied to or what a Jmod has posted as a reply on a thread on a fansite all of a sudden is deemed rule breaking on the official website when both sites are governed by the same rules?
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19-May-2017 15:02:54 - Last edited on 19-May-2017 15:22:26 by Windsofnight

Windsofnight
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Windsofnight

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FUTURE JMOD TIDBITS


This post should not be construed in any shape or form as 'arguing a moderation decision' but should be viewed in the spirit that it is written, to inform readers of this thread about the future of Jmod Tidbits.

Per Mod Balances reply, it appears that there may be additional censorship parameters for future Jmod Tidbits. I am not going try to guess what they are so off to the MRT I go.




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19-May-2017 15:03:00 - Last edited on 19-May-2017 15:20:02 by Windsofnight

Hyles
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Hyles

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My guess is that the problem was not so much with your post but rather that it just brought attention to a demod, which, while not necessarily "shameful", is probably not a matter that the person that was demodded would want attention drawn to them for. I think that was most likely Tren's thinking as well as Mod Matthe's, though I don't want to speak on their behalves.

With that said though, I agree with your decision to seek further clarification.

And of course, thank you for maintaining this thread. You are doing a great service to those of us that only use the forums as a means of news/information. :)
~Hyles~

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may take possession of anything else to which he is justly entitled."
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20-May-2017 03:55:10 - Last edited on 21-May-2017 19:57:42 by Hyles

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