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Windsofnight
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Constructive Criticism

New Code of Conduct One Yearish Anniversary




Well here we are at the one yearish anniversary of the implementation of the 'new' code of conduct. With the relaxation of the rules has the forum become the less moderated venue that everyone had hoped it would become? Wasn't that the goal, less moderation & more flexibility in communicating ones opinion? I have to wonder though if that goal has really been achieved.

Do the forums really reflect the ideals of a less moderated forum that we were promised? IMO, I don't think they do. Currently there is the appearance that the forums are more heavily moderated than before due in part by the use of outside moderators.

Adding an additional layer of moderation tends to give the impression that the forums were not being moderated adequately. What tends to lend support to this notion is that by all appearances the outside moderators appear to be performing in the same capacity as the Jagex bonafide volunteers.

As most folks are aware, I am more of a reader rather than a poster per se. I read quite a variety of threads on RSOF & more times than not, it appears that moderation is being applied outside of the spirit of the new rule set, more heavy-handed, more reminiscent of days gone by. At times it appears that both the Fmods & Lmods are moderating the same topic at the same time too. This tends to also give the impression of heavy-handed moderation. Over moderation of comments, as an example, for instance, like someone calling somebody else silly doesn't give the impression of a more relaxed less moderated venue does it? At times it appears that there is some sort of moderation competition going on between the Fmods & Lmods as well.


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19-Jun-2018 19:28:01 - Last edited on 19-Jun-2018 19:34:11 by Windsofnight

Windsofnight
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Recap

Finding The Right Balance

At the beginning of implementation of the new rule set it did appear that there was extreme flexibility in communicating ones opinion about any topic, especially in the Off Topic forum. However, that extreme flexibility didn't appear to last long. It appeared that extreme flexibility in communicating ones opinion was not the right fit for RSOF.

Four months into the new rule set Mod Balance finally addressed the topic of extreme flexibility in communicating ones opinion with a statement about appropriate discussion. This statement appeared to address the negative posting behaviours associated within topics like politics, religion, sexuality & race. This statement also issued an ultimatum.

Tbh, I never understood why this wasn't fully addressed prior to the launch of the new rule set. Equally puzzeling was why it took so long to address negative posting behaviors surrounding these topics since it had been brought to CM attention during the trial phase.

RSOF has always been utilized by a global community ages 13+. What did CM think was going to happen when they allowed more flexibility in communicating ones opinion on politics, religion, sexuality & race?

Nothing changed within the new rule set mind you, only how those types of topics or opinions were going to be moderated henceforward. It is understandable that those types of topics if allowed would be more heavily moderated within a venue utilized by a global community.

Because topics associated with politics, religion, sexuality & race were now being allowed the Off Topic forum became a hidden forum like the Rants forum. The content of the forum is only viewable if someone is logged in. Like the Rants forum, Off Topic threads do not show up via internet search features because of that restriction.



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19-Jun-2018 19:28:07 - Last edited on 19-Jun-2018 19:36:29 by Windsofnight

Windsofnight
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Ongoing Conflict

Normally rules per se tie directly to a companies Terms & Conditions. This has always been true for the RSOF code of conduct, that is until the new rule set was initiated. Even the previous version of the code of conduct, you remember the one that looked like it was written & edited on Twitter, even as brief as it was, tied directly to the T&C.

The new rule set tends to give the appearance of trying to skirt around the T&C since it appears to over ride specific content standards outlined in the T&C under section 11 of the Content standards policy. During the launch of the new rule set a question was asked if the T&C would be updated to reflect those changes & Mod Matthe replied that "We will be looking at those should the trial be successful, yes."

The trial period appears to have been successful & a year has passed & guess what? The T&C remain the same as they have always been. The last time the T&C were changed was when Jagex introduced mtx & bonds. I am pretty sure that I wasn't the only one who understood that there was no way that CM would be able to 'rewrite' a companies T&C when that answer was given. Needless to say, I wasn't surprised when the T&C were not 'rewritten' to encompass the changes made within the new rule set that allows for discussion on those topics.

However, the conflict remains unaddressed.


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19-Jun-2018 19:28:15 - Last edited on 19-Jun-2018 19:38:19 by Windsofnight

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Anyway, the reason I mention this is because by posting on RSOF we are all bound by the terms of the T&C first & foremost since we all agreed to those T&C when we use the website, Jagex products or play the game. This includes, employees, volunteers & end users, nobody is exempt.

However, there still appears to be a conflict between the T&C & the new code of conduct rule set. As you can note within the new code of conduct it directs the user to the RuneScape rules, (no mention of the T&C that we are all bound by). The code of conduct states that "All of those rules apply here still, but where a forum rule conflicts a RuneScape rule the forum rule is the boss."

That is one of those statements that makes you scratch your head & wonder did anyone even bother to read the T&C before writing that. How would a more relaxed code of conduct be the boss over the game rules when it explicitly states within the T&C Section 9. Rules; "The applicable game rules are expressly incorporated into these terms and conditions. Any use of a Jagex Product not in accordance with the game rules exceeds the scope of the license granted by these terms and conditions and is prohibited."

Because there is no mention of the T&C in the new code of conduct & following the same reasoning as outlined about a conflict with the RuneScape rules, we would have to assume that the 'forum rule is the boss' should a conflict arise between the code of conduct & the T&C too.

The 'forum rule is the boss' statement also tends to imply that the rules for posting to RSOF are more stringent than the rules that govern our game play rather than being less restrictive.


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19-Jun-2018 19:28:22 - Last edited on 19-Jun-2018 19:40:51 by Windsofnight

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Rules, Rules & More Rules

In addition to the T&C, when someone posts to the website it appears that we are also bound by the game rules, the code of conduct, FSR & specific 'in addition to all those rules, you have to follow these rules too' articles sticky posted at the top of some forum sections too.

Tbh, IMO, the majority of end users who utilize the forum have no problem with following the rules, either before or after the new rule set was implemented, myself included. I am in no way advocating for the removal of rules but rather am pointing out that the majority of the community have no issues with them. Nor do the majority of end users who utilize the forum need excessive moderation in order to be a positive contributing member of the community either.

The issue is & continues to be, in how those rules are being moderated. Perhaps it may be time to revisit the subject of forum moderation again. I am sure a review of the data provided on the FMR thread (s) over the past year will be helpful & insightful in supporting the notion that perhaps the standard of moderation may not reflect the ideals of a less moderated forum that we were promised.

IMO the implementation of the new code of conduct that promised less moderation was done in response to a, IMO, major PR blunder & was done more out of a reactionary response to negative PR on social media more than any other reason. This could explain the lack of detail normally associated with an update that has had advanced planning put into it. This might also explain the lack of follow through too.

The following references are provided in case someone might be wondering about the background & history behind the new code of conduct. This outline does not include off site postings that played a major role in the implementation of the new code of conduct.


References: Please see next post
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19-Jun-2018 19:28:33 - Last edited on 19-Jun-2018 19:44:34 by Windsofnight

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Reference

Weekly D&D threads banned Qfc 278-279-923-65904947 by Miu 25-Apr-2017 14:31:27 - Last edited on 26-Apr-2017 18:33:55 by Miu









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An Apology Qfc 75-76-123-65909547 by Mod Balance 09-May-2017 12:01:09 - Last edited on 09-May-2017 12:02:10 by Mod Balance









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New RSOF Rules Qfc 278-279-131-65911395 by Mod Matthe 15-May-2017 14:06:17 - Last edited on 15-May-2017 14:19:08 by Mod Matthe











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RSOF Rules - Feedback Qfc 278-279-214-65912727 by Mod Matthe 19-May-2017 11:40:56




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Code of Conduct Trial complete Qfc 278-279-474-65922148 by Mod Kalaya 15-Jun-2017 16:09:56 - Last edited on 15-Jun-2017 16:10:19 by Mod Kalaya









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19-Jun-2018 19:28:41 - Last edited on 19-Jun-2018 19:47:12 by Windsofnight

Windsofnight
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FSR

Outdated/Unclear FSR's Qfc 278-279-185-65817077 by Vera 26-Jul-2016 23:42:47 - Last edited on 17-May-2017 17:41:58 by Vera




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New FSR's

Same message on all three threads:

New FSR's Qfc 366-367-553-65912724 by Mod Kalaya 19-May-2017 11:34:41 - Treasure Hunter

New FSR's Qfc 98-99-750-65912715 by Mod Kalaya 19-May-2017 11:26:56 - RuneScape Guides & Help

New FSR's Qfc 42-43-693-65912713 by Mod Kalaya 19-May-2017 11:25:48 - Events & Competitions




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Forum Censor

Add a forum censor Qfc 278-279-93-65852176 by Nexus Origin 18-Nov-2016 16:32:30 - Last edited on 08-Dec-2016 20:55:53 by Nexus Origin





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Links

Who verifies links in forums? Qfc 278-279-876-65911561 by Nexus Origin 15-May-2017 23:55:38






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Appropriate Discussion

Appropriate Discussion Qfc 23-24-227-65955664 by Mod Balance 06-Oct-2017 16:55:19



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19-Jun-2018 19:28:48 - Last edited on 19-Jun-2018 19:48:16 by Windsofnight

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JMOD TIDBIT


In-game Calendar


RSOF - In-game Calendar | Patch Notes Qfc 15-16-540-66020281 by Mod Shauny 18-Jun-2018 10:18:01 - Last edited on 18-Jun-2018 10:28:48 by Mod Shauny



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Reddit - In-game Calendar | Patch Notes by Mod Shauny 18 Jun 2018 (46)

OP: Links to RSOF







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TWITTER


Mod Shauny June 20, 2018



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Why should Jagex customers have to go to Reddit for this information?



Reddiit - In-game Calendar - State of Play submitted 20 Jun 2018 by Mod Erator (54)





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*Looks on RSOF for this information*...found it!



RSOF - In-game Calendar - State Qfc 15-16-152-66020722 by Steve20058 20-Jun-2018 11:47:39 - Last edited on 20-Jun-2018 14:09:09 by Steve20058




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Why wasn't Mod Erators article posted to RSOF too?




Reddit - Image of Jagex QA tester shortly before release of the calendar update submitted 18 Jun 2018 by RSOnionKnight (58)

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Mod Erator RSOF Profile




Mod Shauny RSOF Profile




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JMOD TIDBIT



Mod Chaose June 17, 2018 - Elite Dungeons ice-dyed & t90/92 shadow armour




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Solak Narrative

Reddit - P3/P4 Solak apparent narrative flaws submitted 19 Jun 2018 by ldvgvnbtvnSang (6)



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Mod Pi June 20, 2018 - Araxxor phase 2 change







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Mod JD June 21, 2018 - IGTV





Concept Art

David Barker June 22, 2018 - Concept of Rabid Jack





Reddit - TL;DW 386 - Patch Notes Teasers (June 22nd) submitted 22 Jun 2018 by ImRubic

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Reddit - The rewards from Temple of Aminishi feel like an experiment to see how many rewards Jagex could make while simultaneously ensuring none of them would be useful submitted 22 Jun 2018 by Fuckoff666999 (206)

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Reddit - If Jagex can't make a handful of pets for elite dungeons, they also can't make enough familiars for 120 summoning submitted 23 Jun 2018 by raverraver (68)





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Runescape June 24, 2018 - Temple of Aminishi






Mod Sova RSOF Profile



Mod Orion RSOF Profile



Mod Chaose RSOF Profile



Mod Pi RSOF Profile




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