RuneScape Forum Archive | RSOF & FANSITES

Aug

2008

Team Skull

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So you include the Marketing and Clan Recruitment Forums as part of your claim that Forums aren't "Dead". That's not really an accurate analysis as Reddit does not contain such posts.

Try again. "Revenge...is like a rolling stone, which, when a man hath forced up a hill, will return upon him with a greater violence, and break those bones whose sinews gave it motion."- Jeremy Taylor

02-Jan-2017 06:20:23

Mar

2017

Windsofnight

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I did realize that the data that was provided might be hard to digest which is why I started the post titled NUMBERS off with a warning.

The commentary focus is on specifics in relationship to overall thread & post totals for RSOF in case you might of missed that. Without that information there would be no way to determine the level of gold posts per end user posts on RSOF which is also the focus of the commentary. The level of gold posts per end user posts is a key component in determining if that level of activity is acceptable or not or if there is room for improvement.

Just to clarify the above methodology is the same type of methodology that Jagex uses to gauge activity too.

As noted, the data I used already excludes threads & posts made to the rants forum, the specialized forums, (which btw would include the HLF), & the staff/moderator forums, so those thread & posts totals are not included in the totals noted in the commentary. If those totals were included the end result would *increase* the overall total amounts (thus reducing the level of gold posts per end user posts ratio).

Wouldn't you agree that both the rants forum & the HLF contain similar type threads as Reddit?

So what you are suggesting is that I further exclude more forum sections too because 'Reddit does not contain such posts' too? Really?

You do realized that Reddit has a bi-monthly Clan Saturday thread don't you? I have mentioned that thread within the content of this thread too, (post 10.6 titled ANOTHER MISSED OPPORTUNITY). The Reddit Clan Saturday thread serves the same purpose as the Clan Recruitment forums.

No matter how you try to slice & dice it, RSOF thread creation & posts made does surpasses the amount threads & posts made on Reddit.

Sorry, RSOF is not dead. If the RSOF was a NPC ingame it would be walking around the GE Marketplace saying "the reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated". [1]

[1] Commonly cited misquote of Mark Twain (1897)

WHERE IS MY INGAME RSOF TITLE?!

02-Jan-2017 13:10:01

Erehk

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Team Skull said :
So you include the Marketing and Clan Recruitment Forums as part of your claim that Forums aren't "Dead". That's not really an accurate analysis as Reddit does not contain such posts.
Forum activity is forum activity, whether it's in the clan recruitment sections or the marketplace sections or any other section. Similarly, memes and screenshots, which account for a huge percentage of the activity on Reddit, are still Reddit activity (and they should be).

@RS_Erehk

02-Jan-2017 15:24:55 - Last edited on 02-Jan-2017 15:26:15 by Erehk

Aug

2008

Team Skull

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Windsofnight said :

You do realized that Reddit has a bi-monthly Clan Saturday thread don't you?

Twice a month versus...constant? Yeaaaaaaaa, hardly anything to compare to.

Windsofnight said :

No matter how you try to slice & dice it, RSOF thread creation & posts made does surpasses the amount threads & posts made on Reddit.

Erehk said :

Forum activity is forum activity

Except that both of you are comparing apples to oranges here.

Yes, they're both round.

Yes, they're both fruit.

But they're not the same as they have different nutritional content.

You don't have marketplace discussion or clan recruitment on Reddit yet you do on the RSOF (and if you do on Reddit, it's sporadic enough to be disregarded). Furthermore, you don't have people posting the word "bump" or some other variant of it on Reddit, yet you do on RSOF. Hell, RSOF even has a Forum Games section (which is notorious for being a spam bin) while Reddit does not have such a section within the Runescape category. Ergo, trying to use a collective number is being intellectually dishonest and really doesn't help augment your argument any.

If you want a more accurate comparison, you'd compare it to RSOF's RGU, FGU, General, and Suggestions (Ninja/EGC) sections as that is what appears to be the bulk of meaningful discussion content on Reddit (and RSOF for that matter), which both you know (as well as I do) that Reddit blows the RSOF the hell back on that front.

As I said, try again. "Revenge...is like a rolling stone, which, when a man hath forced up a hill, will return upon him with a greater violence, and break those bones whose sinews gave it motion."- Jeremy Taylor

02-Jan-2017 17:25:16 - Last edited on 02-Jan-2017 17:28:03 by Team Skull

Mar

2023

Anger Alt

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Windsofnight said :
Why not just get rid of the active user counter? After all it does not appear to be a true representation of active users. Pretending the number is correct & by not addressing the community concerns regarding it, as well as, not being transparent about what that number represents tends to exacerbate the notion that the forum is dead. It is no wonder that so many folks use it as a point of contention. Is it somehow the communities fault the active user counter is out of kilter?
Would support the removal of the counter until it's working again.

02-Jan-2017 18:16:55

Erehk

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Team Skull said :
Yes, they're both round.

Yes, they're both fruit.

But they're not the same as they have different nutritional content.
I agree, and during previous discussions about the forums and Reddit, I think I've mentioned that forum activity and Reddit activity can't be compared 1:1 because of the two being set up for fundamentally different purposes. Numbers can be compared, of course, but the content behind the numbers is the part that differs.

Team Skull said :
If you want a more accurate comparison, you'd compare it to RSOF's RGU, FGU, General, and Suggestions (Ninja/EGC) sections as that is what appears to be the bulk of meaningful discussion content on Reddit (and RSOF for that matter)
That would be an interesting comparison to see, but while the forums are separated by topic, on Reddit I don't think there's a clear-cut way to separate the meaningful discussion from the memes, screenshots, off-topic, etc.

@RS_Erehk

02-Jan-2017 18:28:51

Mar

2017

Windsofnight

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'Except that both of you are comparing apples to oranges here.'

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APPLES TO APPLES

Clarity

Actually you can do a comparative analysis between RSOF & Reddit after you first do a comparability analysis. A comparability analysis allows you to set a standard to use based on common-ground attributes. RSOF & Reddit share common-ground attributes. The comparative analysis is then done using a standard set based on the common-ground attributes.

I mentioned that standard in a commentary on post 11.7.

(RE: 11.7: Just in case you may be wondering why I choose to use only posts being made to the generalized forums as the bases for this comparison & somehow it might not be a fair comparison, those would be the posts being made to what would be considered a generalized public platform.

Reddit would also be considered a generalized public platform too, just like the generalized RSOF. Just like RSOF, it is also a platform that you don't need to log in to read what is going on either. On this bases, that they are both generalized public platforms that everyone can read about what is going on, the posting comparison becomes more of an apples to apples comparison, rather than an apples to oranges comparison, so to speak.)

The *only* difference is the viewing format.

In other words, picture RSOF without forum sections & formatted like Reddit.

Even though the type of threads posted on Reddit would be similar in nature to what is posted in the Rants & HLF both of those forums were excluded from the comparison because they are forums that you must log into RSOF to view.

In other words, those forum sections would not be part of the '' newly formatted RSOF redditish thread feed that now is a mishmash of topics like what you see on Reddit.

Apples to Apples.

I did mention in the post titled NUMBERS, (21.7), that was the standard being used as well for that data too.

WHERE IS MY INGAME RSOF TITLE?!

02-Jan-2017 20:09:01

Aug

2008

Team Skull

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Windsofnight said :

Actually you can do a comparative analysis between RSOF & Reddit after you first do a comparability analysis. A comparability analysis allows you to set a standard to use based on common-ground attributes. RSOF & Reddit share common-ground attributes. The comparative analysis is then done using a standard set based on the common-ground attributes

Windsofnight said :

Reddit would also be considered a generalized public platform too, just like the generalized RSOF. Just like RSOF, it is also a platform that you don't need to log in to read what is going on either. On this bases, that they are both generalized public platforms that everyone can read about what is going on, the posting comparison becomes more of an apples to apples comparison, rather than an apples to oranges comparison, so to speak.)

And this is a faulty comparison. You can publicly view the forums of dating sites, to give an example. Using your logic, it would be sensible to compare RSOF to a dating site as they're both "publicly viewable platforms", which would be absurdity to the highest degree as their CONTENT is different. RSOF and Reddit are DIFFERENT in what they offer, and what similarities they DO have, Reddit blows RSOF out of the water.

You're still comparing apples to oranges here mate. Give me more a more appropriate criterion for analysis and maybe I'll entertain the argument more. "Revenge...is like a rolling stone, which, when a man hath forced up a hill, will return upon him with a greater violence, and break those bones whose sinews gave it motion."- Jeremy Taylor

03-Jan-2017 11:09:12 - Last edited on 03-Jan-2017 11:10:07 by Team Skull

Aug

2008

Team Skull

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Erehk said :

I agree, and during previous discussions about the forums and Reddit, I think I've mentioned that forum activity and Reddit activity can't be compared 1:1 because of the two being set up for fundamentally different purposes. Numbers can be compared, of course, but the content behind the numbers is the part that differs.

I personally think they can be compared 1:1, it's just a matter of categorizing it, which last to my knowledge the RS Reddits don't have tags on them like other sub-Reddits, so it'd be very difficult (if not impossible) to compare them side by side without them. "Revenge...is like a rolling stone, which, when a man hath forced up a hill, will return upon him with a greater violence, and break those bones whose sinews gave it motion."- Jeremy Taylor

03-Jan-2017 11:13:03

Mar

2017

Windsofnight

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'And this is a faulty comparison. You can publicly view the forums of dating sites, to give an example. Using your logic, it would be sensible to compare RSOF to a dating site as they're both "publicly viewable platforms", which would be absurdity to the highest degree as their CONTENT is different. RSOF and Reddit are DIFFERENT in what they offer, and what similarities they DO have, Reddit blows RSOF out of the water.'

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That is an interesting rebuttal, lol. At least I know you grasped the *end result*, (that determined what content is being compared between RSOF & Reddit), of the comparability analysis that I wrote about in the post you replied to.

It is a bit nonsensical on your part to believe that a comparability analysis would only entail the *end result* that determines what content to compare though.

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"Give me more a more appropriate criterion for analysis and maybe I'll entertain the argument more."

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For the record, this isn't an argument or even a debate either since you haven't provided anything to substantiate your claims outside of your own opinion, yet you insist that I publish a detailed analysis of this, that or the other to substantiate mine. Pretty one sided don't you think.

I did mention in the post you replied to, 'In other words, picture RSOF without forum sections & formatted like Reddit' This sentence suggests to the average reader that if they did that & made a side by side comparison of the content posted to RSOF & Reddit that they would visually see that the content posted to both sites is either the same or similar. Btw, that sentence also provides insight into the comparability criterion without having to publish the whole Comparability Analysis too. Tbh, it is not too hard to follow the dots here, I don't think that I am writing in a way that would take a lot of brain power to decipher.

You state that the content is different on Reddit than it is on RSOF. Screen shot the first page of Reddit & post it back here.

WHERE IS MY INGAME RSOF TITLE?!

03-Jan-2017 19:27:15