RuneScape Forum Archive | Proposal: remove FMR.

CM Nick

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If Jagex/JMods can't be bothered anymore ... why should we bother to listen to comments of LMods who are most of the day absent dealing with other tasks Jagex/JMods pay them for thus only do what Jagex/JMods tell them to do.
LMods come and go whenever they feel up to, resign and walk off, because they have more important things to do thus show little interest in what goes around. All they wanna have is a golden crown ... nothing more.
A lot of people only wanna step in for the golden crown and ranks without other more meaningful goals The RuneScape Community may benefit from, important goals.

Just to answer to this, I've been here since the start of when we got this project and became LMods, which has been 3 years now, and I have 0 intentions of leaving this project unless the contract ends. I love being a part of this community, and have especially enjoyed further getting to know the community over these past three years.

If I were just in this for the golden crown, I would not still be here. The reality of it is, I don't really care when or even if we DO get JMod accounts, I would just settle for us LMods having the tools to do more on the forums than we can at present, so we can better serve the community. If Jagex would allow it, I would take over FMR in a heartbeat. The issue is not that we don't want to, it's that there's a system in place that currently we can't take over without explicit action and forum changes by Jagex, or gold accounts. From our talks with Jagex they seem to currently want to keep FMR the way it is, as other suggestions have been put forth, and Jagex hasn't been interested in pursuing other options.

I indeed do have a great interest in what goes on in these forums, and I honestly wish there was more I could do with the tools we have on these LMod accounts, but a lot of the bigger changes rely on going through Jagex to get forum changes implemented by virtue of the powers on our accounts. Community Manager for Jagex

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26-Oct-2021 23:04:19 - Last edited on 26-Oct-2021 23:14:42 by CM Nick

CM Nick

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I know that it does seem like a bit of a revolving door with the LMods but the reality of the situation is that the other LMod position is just 2 days a week, and not a full-time project, whereas I'm doing 5 days a week here.

So, if there's an opportunity for a CM to have a full-time project instead of several different ones to make up 40 hours a week, I would not blame them at all for wanting to go to a more cohesive and stable position.

In my case, I'm lucky that I have the schedule and availability I do to be able to be here full-time through the week.

Also, just in regards to past CMs, CM Brandon is actually now the team lead on this project, and is our contact with Jagex, so while he may not be around on the forums much anymore, he keeps the day to day of our contract with them running and he'll fill in for me whenever necessary if I need to take a day or so.

I just don't want you to get the wrong idea that we don't care or are just around hoping for "glory" or something. I deeply care about this community and have loved every minute of working here, and I will tell you that literally every day I wish I could do even more. It's definitely not an issue of not wanting to be around or not wanting to take action, it's moreso that there's red tape that we have to navigate around for a lot of this, and it's not always easy to get through that tape.

I know I always say this, but I'm always around to answer any questions about our duties here and what we actually do - I've always been an open book for this kind of stuff. Community Manager for Jagex

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26-Oct-2021 23:11:42

Mr Brushie

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CM Nick said :
From our talks with Jagex they seem to currently want to keep FMR the way it is, as other suggestions have been put forth, and Jagex hasn't been interested in pursuing other options.

I indeed do have a great interest in what goes on in these forums, and I honestly wish there was more I could do with the tools we have on these LMod accounts, but a lot of the bigger changes rely on going through Jagex to get forum changes

They "seem" to want, you say. So in your talks with Jagex, do they explicitly say what they want or do not want, or do you just have to infer?

It seems to me that that if Jagex doesn't really care, why should anyone else?

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27-Oct-2021 07:23:29

Jan

2011

Roddy Piper

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This is pretty sad Jagex. You let random youtubers in but you won't allow your most trusted CM full access to the forum you tasked them with managing.

It seems a bit silly from here. I literally have no complaints about CM Nick.

27-Oct-2021 16:54:57

Mrs Ana

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Nubby Nubnub said :
Sure, FMods will be able to read accusations against themselves... but is that really that big of a deal? We can already pretty easily deduce which FMod is being reported. It's a big deal. The difference between deducing which FMod is being reported and knowing for sure which FMod is being reported is that the possibility of an FMod being biased against a player for having reported them will increase. I don't think it's ideal for FMods to know who is reporting them, for whatever reasons. I think it's best to be left as is: confidential.

Furthermore, considering that the thread is on auto-hide and that only J-Mods can see it, this gives the player the ability to be thorough in their reports and the anonymity of the posts gives reassurance that only J-Mods can see it without others interfering with their feelings and/or opinions.

I am strongly opposed to FMods seeing the contents of my reports against them, if any. Yea, you can put 2 and 2 together to see who reported you and what for/why, but you can't see the contents of the reports. This ought to be protected at all costs for privacy/anonymity concerns.

I think Mod Kari's response below perfectly summarizes why FMods shouldn't see the contents of reports that are made against them:

Source: Double Standards
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27-Oct-2021 18:33:27 - Last edited on 27-Oct-2021 19:51:21 by Mrs Ana

CM Nick

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Mr Brushie said :
CM Nick said :
From our talks with Jagex they seem to currently want to keep FMR the way it is, as other suggestions have been put forth, and Jagex hasn't been interested in pursuing other options.

I indeed do have a great interest in what goes on in these forums, and I honestly wish there was more I could do with the tools we have on these LMod accounts, but a lot of the bigger changes rely on going through Jagex to get forum changes

They "seem" to want, you say. So in your talks with Jagex, do they explicitly say what they want or do not want, or do you just have to infer?

It seems to me that that if Jagex doesn't really care, why should anyone else?

Essentially, in the early days of FMR going through spells of a month or so without review, we floated some ideas (many that are talked about in this thread) to Jagex as possible solutions, and they told us that at this time they weren't looking to change up the formula, and that there would be another JMod who would attend to the thread soon. Since then, this has been brought up a few more times and we've received what is essentially the same response, that they don't want to change the FMR formula from an autohide thread that's JMod-run. Community Manager for Jagex

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27-Oct-2021 18:40:45

Dec

2011

Archaeox

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CM Nick said :

Essentially, in the early days of FMR going through spells of a month or so without review, we floated some ideas (many that are talked about in this thread) to Jagex as possible solutions, and they told us that at this time they weren't looking to change up the formula, and that there would be another JMod who would attend to the thread soon. Since then, this has been brought up a few more times and we've received what is essentially the same response, that they don't want to change the FMR formula from an autohide thread that's JMod-run.

Yeah well, Jagex's definition of "soon" differs from the rest of the world's.

Someone needs to get more vocal and more assertive about the fact that what we have is just not working . Sitting back and saying "oh, okay" doesn't cut it.

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27-Oct-2021 18:59:07

Jul

2019

Wilf

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Nubby Nubnub said :
It is clear that the current system no longer works. CM clearly hasn't got enough time on their hands to run FMR.

I'm not sure if it's been suggested yet, but what would be the downside if FMR was run in a similar way to Forum Help; without the auto-hide function? Sure, FMods will be able to read accusations against themselves... but is that really that big of a deal? We can already pretty easily deduce which FMod is being reported.

My proposal:

A new FMR thread is posted, without the auto-hide button enabled. Players post on the new FMR thread and FMods/LMods/JMods hide the incoming report (whoever gets there first, hides the post). This is where FMod involvement stops completely. LMods/JMods will then take over and investigate the report and take the appropriate action. Nick and Brandon have been on these forums long enough to accurately and efficiently manage FMR themselves.

The posts are hidden to protect the fmods from seeing criticism, so you'd need to ask the other mods if they can handle reading it and not being able to respond at all.

I think some might have a meltdown tbh.

27-Oct-2021 19:25:54 - Last edited on 27-Oct-2021 19:26:10 by Wilf

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