RuneScape Forum Archive | Did Forum Mods Kill Forums?

Miu

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Pis2ols said :
Think you're misunderstanding the point here, RuneScape Forums was a way friends chats and clans could discuss things and post prices.

I guess so. I think you're projecting your experiences onto the wider forums when that's not the case. Did forum mods kill forums? Not really. Has moderation affected Item Discussion popularity? I can't say. Would loosening the moderation in Item Discussion make the forums more popular? Absolutely not. Discord and Reddit has usurped them.

It's no wonder why your community is more popular than the forums, and while moderation may have served to push people away from these forums, the responsiveness and ease of Discord chatrooms is much preferable to the RS forums. Why refresh a page checking for updates when you can see price checks in realtime?

You're lamenting the pace of the forums now compared to before. But now your community has cannibalized the forum community and taken them somewhere better, in all honesty.

Pis2ols said :
I'm describing the actions that a forum moderator took that led to the demise of one of the most popular forum threads that made people use RSoF.

My apologies. Vitriol towards a specific FMod and their actions. In OP you claim that forum moderation review has been removed and you have no recourse. You are allowed to ask for clarification and a review from another FMod in forum help if you have a legitimate objection to an FMod action. Again, this is another case of the forum rules being unclear and underdocumented, which is an issue affecting you and Item Discussions.

Pis2ols said :
Finding excuses to lock a thread is basically the culmination of everything wrong with forums.

To clarify, I'm not advocating for this thread to be locked. I think it would just be better to set up a new title and OP to shift focus. Apologies for coming across as aggressive.

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10-Aug-2022 00:42:17

Miu

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Tranq's post on page 3 has the best understanding of your specific situation.

Asking for more coherent, consistent rules, that are visible and explained, would help. It's hard to criticize rules that you can't see, and we're relying on screenshots or your memory from years ago.

As explained numerous times, FMod actions are under the supervision of Jagex. Does Jagex always make the right call? Not really, a particular penguin incident comes to mind.

I think I'm just rambling at this point. I understand your frustration with the moderation, and the lack of clarity in some of those rules must make it feel like they're being made up to target you. I don't think they're specifically targeting you. But the way the forum is being moderated still has much room for improvement.

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10-Aug-2022 01:06:16

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2005

Joel

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All I've seen thus far in this thread is a continued attempt to, whether by name or not, single out a specific FMod based on personal perception of a given situation while seemingly and conveniently leaving out any context as to why a particular rule change took place (e.g banning FC adverts in posts, not even in sigs).

I have already said that FMods do not create rules or policies, so if you're going to continue down that road of discussion, it's going to end this discussion very quickly.

You've already acknowledged that Jagex have final say and frankly, most/all say on any rule changes here on the forums. FMods at most would have some form of input but that would not replace internal discussions within Jagex and a decision from them. I'm not scapegoating Jagex by stating the above, I'm telling you quite bluntly how it is - these are their forums, we as FMods cannot make any change we want and then enforce it.

If that were the case, what's stopping me right now from locking this thread & creating a rule that states " Anybody with the name Pis2ols may no longer post in this forum "? I can't even if if I wanted to as I'd be held accountable not only by players, but the wider FMod Team and ultimately Jagex.

Any scenario in which presents a new issue on the forums would be discussed among the FMod Team and Jagex/CM and it would be down to Jagex to make any decision regarding a rule change. In the case of Item Discussion many years ago was a constant bombardment of reports regarding price manipulation and problems solely caused by fighting between FCs.

If 'revitalizing the forum' means the return of that exact situation then that isn't a solution.

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10-Aug-2022 15:24:02

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Loki

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This thread is going absolutely no where. I've gone ahead and messaged Jagex CM directly to hopefully provide a response here, which will say exactly what Joel and several others have already stated. Hopefully after then, you'll be confident that the rule changes you claim were made up by an FMod, are in fact not, and the result of a final decision on Jagex' end.

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10-Aug-2022 18:20:45

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2019

Wilf

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"I have already said that FMods do not create rules or policies, so if you're going to continue down that road of discussion, it's going to end this discussion very quickly."

So you know what the reason for the thread referred to being locked originally was and why Kari reopened it and then locked it a week or so after?

I'm assuming i'm looking at the right thread.

there is also this in the ID fsr so basically mods can take any action they see fit meaning jagex are happy with it so not much more to say really i guess

What if I think the moderators are wrong?
Forum moderators are hand-picked by Jagex and will make decisions based on their training and game knowledge. Though those decisions may not reflect what you think, their actions are on behalf of Jagex, and are therefore final.

10-Aug-2022 19:30:32 - Last edited on 10-Aug-2022 19:55:57 by Wilf

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2005

Joel

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^ First of all, we're referring to posts and threads made years ago but suddenly now it's apparently a huge pressing issue?

Secondly, last time I checked, Mod Kari was Jagex Staff, not a Forum Mod. Therefore there was clearly discussions at the time both with Jagex Staff internally and perhaps some form of consultation with FMods with regards to the direction to take given the circumstances at the time which were the advertising of FCs in posts which were causing arguments, constant accusations of price manipulation & also an element of duplication which led to some level of clutter.

All in all, not a great situation. But players are still able to advertise their FCs etc in signatures to this day, that was never changed - the OP's signature is proof of that. Any change to the rules at the time would have been decided by Jagex whether it was something suggested from the FMod Team or not. At most, us merely proposing something;

a) doesn't make it concrete and enforceable
b) doesn't dictate one way or another what Jagex's decision would be

A decision from Jagex would supersede ANY and ALL input from FMods or the community.

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10-Aug-2022 20:21:45

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Wilf

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So you don't know if the original lock was based on a current rule at the time or not?

Maybe Kari unlocked it because it wasn't?

Maybe after discussing it with other CM/fmods it was decided that it was in the interests to change the policy and as such lock the thread and any thing in the future that would relate to that.

In that scenario to me it would be acceptable to say that the Fmod who made the original decision changed the policy/rule regardless of them not having the final say.

Like you say though too far in the past and without seeing the original messages left it could be totally wrong.

I don't know why OP has made the thread now, but increasing activity by getting users to post prices doesn't really make much difference to anything. OS clan sections get 10k+ posts a month still, I think. Doesn't add anything to the rest of the forums IMO

10-Aug-2022 21:15:16

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2005

Joel

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I did a decent bit of digging to try and recall better given this was many years ago but this wasn't a simple straight forward issue that came up one day and was acted upon the next.

It was an ongoing problem at the time that spanned a decent period in which there were clearly discussions both between FMods (as a team) which is normal, as well as advice sought after from Jagex (which is also normal) because in situations which aren't as black & white we would always involve and escalate to Jagex/CM.

So my recollection + experience how situations are dealt with, not just in relation to ID & DI forums but in other problems we've faced over the years/decade+, I can say with absolute confidence that no single FMod would have changed rules without prior discussion and approval from Jagex, with Jagex having the ultimate say in any matter and the notion that we could, can and did change the rules (as FMods) has no basis in reality and at best is what was perceived to have happened, perhaps through a lack of clear communication at the time but nevertheless, doesn't justify any attack on any individual FMod. So that can be nipped in the bud immediately.

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10-Aug-2022 21:48:45

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Wilf

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So what I said above ye

10-Aug-2022 22:39:17

2_Tron

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Since you all be nitpicking the OP of this thread ... as long as Jagex/JMods allow the OP (and their group of players) to play RuneScape/OldSchoolRuneScape without any restrictions/bans/mutes there's no such thing as prohibit the OP (and their group of players) from creating threads in The RuneScape Official Forums unless it is breaking the Code of Conduct.

If other members of The RuneScape Community start to complain about other legit threads based on a lot of assumptions (pricechecking etc. etc.) than there's no reason to act on it because that's the whole point of trade.

FMods should step away and not let their judgement be based upon hearsay but rather file their judgement according to the Code of Conduct. Complaints about what others are offering should be put aside and left for Jagex/JMods to be checked/actioned.

2_Tron said :
...

Your posts should be appropriate content.

We do not need your spam on these forums; that includes unnecessary duplicate threads and offtopic/hijacking posts .

Good Forumer Guidance

If you spot a thread where you disagree with the poster's opinion, rather than argue with them across multiple pages of their thread consider creating a new thread with your own opinion .

A lot of threads ... yes lots of
have been erased from existence because '
Good Forumer Guidance
became all of a sudden
Your posts should be appropriate content
thus making another thread, made by another player, about the same subject been seen as spam.

This weird '
loop
' has been used/abused for years without fmods doing something about it.

Forum moderators have never ever done something about this 'weird loop' other than cater it when it suited them.
The above should also be fixed.

11-Aug-2022 08:44:21