RuneScape Forum Archive | Fmods killed the forums

Stoat King

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With regard to 'FMods killed the forums' - thats a bit of an exaggeration. But it has a grain of truth. Why would anyone create a thread, given the arbitrary forces any thread is subjected too?

Whilst slightly off topic, I have noticed an issue with the Fmod team over the last year or so. That's not when this started but meh.

Picture this:
You are the referee in a game of football.
You decide you want to play AND referee.
You kick one of the players off the pitch and take his place, with a clear warning to the players on both teams, that even questioning your decisions (which could now appear to be somewhat biased) is now a red card offence. You will be sent off. If you dont like it you can report to the authorities and that will take weeks to process.

Does this sound fair?
Is there any world where this could possibly be fair?

And yet, this is not an uncommon scenario, especially in off topic.
FMod participates in discussion, then starts hiding opposing views (whether right or wrong is irrelevant). Any argument, and forumer is referred to FMR.
I have seen accounts banned for being sucked into this nonsense with their predictable and entirely justified outrage at how unfair this is.
The most shameful part of it, from my point of view, is that when this happens, none of the FMod team say a word. They seem to think its entirely appropriate. In any case, far from liftin a finger to stop it, they actively conspire to enable it, hiding further posts when the FMod in question passes the buck, in line with FMod guidelines / tradition.

And it continues. It is allowed to continue.
Arguably this is the exact reason why politics can no longer be discussed in Off Topic: Because that was the only way Mod Kari could see to mitigate a problem with no good solutions. Go on - tell me I'm wrong lol

I could go into details and provide links for all of the above, but its kinda depressing.
I would love for any of the mod team to justify the above behaviour. You are all complicit.

05-Apr-2021 12:12:30 - Last edited on 05-Apr-2021 12:14:27 by Stoat King

G Mask Owner

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Thanks for the post Stoat King.

05-Apr-2021 13:38:00

G Mask Owner

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I feel like the best way forward is IF Jagex does decide to update the forums, they implement voting like many other forums have or Reddit or whatever and allow the community to decide what should or shouldn't be seen. X amount of down votes gets the post hidden unless you decide to unhide the post with a click. This includes leaving off topic posts, flaming, etc. If people don't agree they can ignore it, down vote it, or rebut the statement.

Forum moderators would then be used to ONLY clean up seriously offensive stuff like racism, real world law infractions, spam bots, etc.

05-Apr-2021 13:46:35

Stoat King

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Aeroxmaster said :
It is not far beyond Scope ofPossibilities that there are people that enjoy moderating content.
There are some things hidden in this.
The Fmod that was demodded had not changed their behaviour for many many years.
There had been obvious, egregious unfairness for more than a decade and nothing happened.
Furthermore, the person in question was actively and enthusiastically defended by the FMod team.
Why did it take so long? One can hardly blame Mod Kari for having some integrity and not turning up sooner. The rest of the team - far less clear.
And do you think the person in question will ever post here again?
Of course not. They were simply 'playing the forums' with the powers that had been given to them. In a very heavy handed fashion for years and with the full support of the other FMods.

It is very easy to argue that the obvious conclusion is that the primary motives of the FMod team is the exercise and collective protection of those powers, rather than any overarching or high-minded goal. Or anything containing the word 'champion'.
If that were true, why did noone do anything? Why did noone ever stick up for us?

No doubt the FMods will use 'secret rules', 'secret forums' etc as a defence. "We spoke out in private". Not good enough. You did nothing. Nothing happened other than the degradation of your reputation and respect as a team.
What DO you stand for? Its not us. Its hard to argue its the forums. If its anything more than self-interest, then what?

05-Apr-2021 13:53:12 - Last edited on 05-Apr-2021 13:56:50 by Stoat King

2_Tron

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G Mask Owner said :
I feel like the best way forward is IF Jagex does decide to update the forums, they implement voting like many other forums have or Reddit or whatever and allow the community to decide what should or shouldn't be seen. X amount of down votes gets the post hidden unless you decide to unhide the post with a click. This includes leaving off topic posts, flaming, etc. If people don't agree they can ignore it, down vote it, or rebut the statement.

Forum moderators would then be used to ONLY clean up seriously offensive stuff like racism, real world law infractions, spam bots, etc.
NO

05-Apr-2021 15:45:10

Oct

2017

Corder

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@ Politics - Discord has

#serious-discussion

which promotes healthy discussions within politics and real world issues. If it's allowed there, I don't see why not in Forums too. Life is like a camera: Just focus on what's important, capture the good times, develop from the negatives, and if things don't work out, take another shot !

05-Apr-2021 15:53:14

2_Tron

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Corder said :
@ Politics - Discord has

#serious-discussion

which promotes healthy discussions within politics and real world issues. If it's allowed there, I don't see why not in Forums too.
RuneScape Official Forums - RuneScape Forums
... do you get it?
Have 'politics/serious-discussions/realworld-issues' where they florish the best '
outside of RuneScape
' and leave The RSOF for gamers and their precious game RuneScape.

05-Apr-2021 15:59:23

Stoat King

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2_Tron said :
G Mask Owner said :
I feel like the best way forward is IF Jagex does decide to update the forums, they implement voting like many other forums have or Reddit or whatever and allow the community to decide what should or shouldn't be seen. X amount of down votes gets the post hidden unless you decide to unhide the post with a click. This includes leaving off topic posts, flaming, etc. If people don't agree they can ignore it, down vote it, or rebut the statement.

Forum moderators would then be used to ONLY clean up seriously offensive stuff like racism, real world law infractions, spam bots, etc.
NO

Ive got to agree with Lnk here.
Dont get me wrong - I think it would be hilarious to watch what would happen. But only to start with.
Reddit is hardly a good role-model. I should know, given the extent that I game their stupid system. Tbh the whole thing is kinda horrifying.

05-Apr-2021 16:02:33

Mrs Ana

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Corder said :
@ Politics - Discord has

#serious-discussion

which promotes healthy discussions within politics and real world issues. If it's allowed there, I don't see why not in Forums too. Discussions about religion and politics were never allowed on the RSOFs; however, that changed and users were permitted to discuss either up to a certain extent. This was then taken away due to the hostile environment that arose. I wholeheartedly agree with Mod Kari's decision to outlaw conversations about politics here on the RSOFs. If I wish to discuss politics, I am sure that I can find better places on the Internet to do so without being restricted or censored. I do not believe that an Off-Topic sub-forum for an online game is the correct place for me to converse about politics.

Discord or any other Social Media platform are better equipped to handle these controversial topics. I do not believe it's fair to compare Discord to the RSOFs given the fact that these two are controlled by two different entities and their main goals are also distinct. Their moderation is also capable of dealing with rule-breaking when it comes to politics.

05-Apr-2021 16:17:44

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Fmods don't kill the forums. Inconsistencies of the Fmods kill the forums rather.

To me, the FH and FMR we have been using for like an eternity is fine. It doesn't matter if the subjects are controversial like religions and politics as long as everybody including every one of the Fmods themselves stick to using the FH and FMR for reporting and accept the final judgement out of FMR.

05-Apr-2021 16:37:07