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Aeroxmaster

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To be honest, I don't care too much for the regime that's implementing it. It does appear to be spearheaded by the LMods too. Again, won't be surprised at the hiding of my posts and the locking of this thread. It does actually point to a lack of maturity in all honesty. It is also extremely unprofessional.

I would give them some credit for keeping this unlocked but even then, I cannot see this lasting much longer given the current agenda operated here.

I will re-read this thread in more detail and add some additional contributions. I know there are many people who have left anyway. Sad tbh.

03-Apr-2021 19:29:58

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Note: in response to OP's question about "why are all the threads being locked", I strongly suspect it is because they enjoy it i.e. for fun. There is most likely some form of pathological drive to lock threads. It causes some kind of sick adrenaline rush to close a player's thread, knowing it gives the person doing it a sense of power and knowing it might annoy the very people they are interfering with. Somewhat sadistic.

That type of behaviour is common to a number of medical conditions. But I won't go further on into that. What we do know is that Jagex has already removed one FMod for similar behaviour apparently, but there are plenty still doing similar things. All FMods should be properly reminded about how the rule set is supposed to be enforced and should also be screened. Players aren't here to activate certain reward centres in the brain for LMods or any other mods for that matter ;)

CM Arbor said :
this thread has been given the benefit of the doubt until now,
as the FMod team is open to discussion.


Lol that is a straight up lie. I do not believe this person speaks for the team. Maybe a few people are, and that really tends to be the people who do not do as much of the over moderating. The culprits tend not to get involved in discussions like these. Or if they do, they are unable to have a reasonable discussion.

Let's avoid claiming to speak on behalf of the entire team. We already see that this thread is headed for a lock under the current regime ;) It is a valid thread under the ruleset as it does not target specific actions or players and its intention is not to target particular groups of players. It's intention is to target the processes and policy enforcement that are allowing this to go unchecked once again. But we all know this will get locked again.

03-Apr-2021 19:39:06 - Last edited on 03-Apr-2021 20:06:01 by Aeroxmaster

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2_Tron said :
Ms Toxicity said :
Let's stick to the topic of the thread, rather than discussing specific players.
Why do you say/discuss so little?


Very good question. I'd especially like to see THAT player's contribution to this thread as well ;) The LMod team claim the FMod team are open to discussion. Let's actually see some of that going on then, eh?

2_Tron said :
G Mask Owner said :
Something needs to be done about either the rules or a few select forum moderators. This place is ran with an iron fist and Jagex just allows it to go on. 10 people are logged into the forums right now which is absolutely pathetic. Nobody wants to post here when they can go to Discord, Twitter, Leddit, /rsg/, etc. and avoid being censored. And why the hell are threads being locked for stupid reasons when there are posts on page 50 that are two years old. It's absolutely absurd.
I recognized your name knowing you being a forum veteran and since the Login-Lockout issue you too have been extremely frustrated but for FMods and 'their helpers' it is quite easy to backseat moderate you and jumping on your back whenever they feel they need to and they get credits from Jagex/JMods for doing so.
It is that obvious.


This is a legitimate point that I also agree with. It is to a degree a form of trolling.

03-Apr-2021 20:23:21

Loki
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Aeroxmaster said :
Note: in response to OP's question about "why are all the threads being locked", I strongly suspect it is because they enjoy it i.e. for fun. There is most likely some form of pathological drive to lock threads. It causes some kind of sick adrenaline rush to close a player's thread, knowing it gives the person doing it a sense of power and knowing it might annoy the very people they are interfering with. Somewhat sadistic.
????

I really do not think anyone would gain an "adrenaline rush" from locking a forum thread lol. I agree some are locked that I personally don't think should be, but everyone thinks differently. I think it's crazy to assume there's some sort of pathological drive behind locking of threads, or a sense of "power" over regular forumers. Thank you for giving me a chuckle... :P
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03-Apr-2021 22:04:10

Loki
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Aeroxmaster said :
And you know what? This happens all the time . It's a repetitive theme. It's like the FMods gets told something, get hit over the head with a brick, fall into a coma, come back and forget what the actual rules are. It seems they conveniently forget the foundations of the current rule set which have BARELY been changed since implemented by Mod Balance's Community Management team.
Mod Balance was a Community Manager back in 2013 - almost a decade ago.


I think what needs to happen is:

1. Mod Kari creates a forum thread to discuss updating the rules, gather feedback from ALL people who post on the forums. One thread that automatically hides posts if people want their suggestions to be hidden from others, and one public thread which everyone can discuss and maybe brainstorm together, or agree/disagree with others.

2. After a month, both threads are locked/removed, then the suggestions are trawled through, Kari has further discussions about the proposals within the FMod forums (as they've got a lot of moderation experience on here and know what will and will not work), and then the new rules aligned with Jagex' business model or whatever needs to be done, and then we get new rules put in place that can relax things a lot more.


Hopefully once that is sorted out, we can get some long overdue forum updates, and then Jagex starts encouraging staff internally to use the forums a lot more, thus bringing more life back here.
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03-Apr-2021 22:11:32

Corder
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^ That is a great proposal. Nice to keep feedback in one place also. Life is like a camera: Just focus on what's important, capture the good times, develop from the negatives, and if things don't work out, take another shot !

03-Apr-2021 22:15:41

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I do not agree with your sentiment Loki.

Firstly, you present a lot of straw mans. You attempt to say a certain JMod was here over a decade ago, yet they date u give is technically less than a decade ago.

Not only that, but the JMod I referred to was the HEAD OF COMMUNITY. He was responsible for everything social and community related. He specifically oversaw the change of the forum rules in 2017, with Mods MattHe, Mod Kalaya, possibly Mod Infinity and possibly Mod Jon and possibly with Mod Neena and others.

It was explicitly stated that there would be no gravebumping rule anymore. It was specifically, very, VERY clearly stated, that if you post on a thread and contribute to the discussion with relevant content, that it does not matter how long ago or how old the thread is: it is not classed as a gravebump anymore. Only if you respond with something unrelated, or if the OP's topic clearly has no relevance to the present day.

Yet this regime deliberately falls into a coma and conveniently forgets about that and starts reinforcing the archaic gravebumping rule again, particularly when it suits certain agendas. And these types of things repetitively happen.

It was very clearly explained that the current rule set's spirit is that threads and content should not be moderated unless there was a clear reason that it MUST happen, and that that reason is within the ruleset. That was specifically why Kalaya helped to shorten the ruleset, specifically removing the "catch all" rule that used to be there.

Now what do we see happening? Mods regularly citing rules that do not exist yet again, that are often made up on the spot, where enforcement is not 100% necessary but it becomes entertainment.

Also, you can chuckle all you like Loki. You would be very surprised at the issues that some people have.It is not far beyond Scope ofPossibilities that there are people that enjoy moderating content. And that is not a laughing matter. 1 FMod already gone

03-Apr-2021 22:33:44

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There is no need to amend the current rule set. It's design was correct. Its enforcement is deliberately not being adhered to, by people and mods that were around exactly when the relevant changes occurred in 2017 and who know exactly why the rule set is as it is today, and that is the fact of the matter here.

Why do you think authorities in real life have anti corruption units? Because the very people that work within those organisations but who are doing the normal stuff know best how to bend laws and process to their own liking. There's no doubt that that "bending" is happening here. It is much more effective to address the general issue publicly, rather than address each individual incident via FMR and then wait for the same thing to happen again and again between different mods; the select few mods that deliberately enforce their own "interpretation" of the rules that they personally want to use. The only "interpretation" of them should be the 2017 interpretation and that's what they should be aware of.

They know exactly what they are doing... But I won't be providing them much opportunity to get the sadistic pleasure they're looking for from stopping threads and posts. Cleverer than that ;)

03-Apr-2021 22:40:34 - Last edited on 03-Apr-2021 22:42:27 by Aeroxmaster

Loki
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Aeroxmaster said :
I do not agree with your sentiment Loki.
That's fine, and it's good we can have opposing views to fuel this discussion :) .

Where is this new rule set that Mod Balance supposedly changed? I can't see anything in the CoC, nor anything on Mod Balance's forum profile (out of all the threads that still remain on there)?

If it was done in 2017, then damn time has gone by so slowly... feels like it was forever ago...
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03-Apr-2021 22:48:45

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