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CM Arbor

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@ G Mask Owner: Despite the accusatory title, this thread has been given the benefit of the doubt until now, as the FMod team is open to discussion. However, it is indeed not clear what the purpose of this thread is, as others have pointed out.

You've said something needs to change. What is that something? Please expand upon it so that discussion can be had and moved forward. Currently, this thread is largely just venting about current forum conditions, which is more of a rant than anything. If you have issues with moderation actions, as others have said, those can be resolved via the Forum Moderation Review thread.

Further, the FMod team makes judgement calls all the time, which players may or may not agree with. That's the purpose of the Forum Moderation Review, to allow players to question our calls. But again, doing so in another thread isn't the way to go.

02-Apr-2021 20:12:19 - Last edited on 02-Apr-2021 20:14:15 by CM Arbor

G Mask Owner

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CM Arbor said :


You've said something needs to change. What is that something?

Stop over moderating and making people feel like they need to go to an external site to have discussion or shit talk with people. Sure remove the offensive stuff, I get it. But I should be able to make a thread like this and it stay open, but now you're hinting at locking it which proves my point. I will have to go to Reddit or Twitter to make this point without fear of being locked. Sure I can get opposition or support, but at least I can make my self heard. Not here on the Official forums though, can't have people questioning anything. Not sure why this concept isn't coming across.

02-Apr-2021 20:22:02

Loki
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Loki

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Making threads on Reddit can be locked at the discretion of the mods over there. You just don't notice it much because when they remove a thread, it completely disappears and no one publicly gets to see it, whereas on the forums, the thread stays showing it as locked, or the "This thread has been hidden."

As for Twitter, you run your own profile and do not have anyone moderating your posts unless it breaks Twitter TOS.


The RuneScape forums appear on the Jagex website, and can be searched by anyone externally. They need to keep the forums appropriate for 13+ year old players, and to ensure discussions are following their rules.
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02-Apr-2021 20:36:30

CM Arbor

CM Arbor

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G Mask Owner said :
Stop over moderating and making people feel like they need to go to an external site to have discussion or shit talk with people.
What qualifies as "over moderating" is a matter of opinion, which is the issue with things like this, but I take your point. And that's exactly why Forum Moderation Review exists, to hold us accountable when we do take a step that Jagex thinks we shouldn't have. Telling the mod team to "stop over moderating" is itself too nebulous. In which cases? Are there things we should never moderate, or things we always should? Even within the Code of Conduct, everyone has different opinions on these things. We do our best, but we can't please everyone.
G Mask Owner said :
I should be able to make a thread like this and it stay open, but now you're hinting at locking it which proves my point. I will have to go to Reddit or Twitter to make this point without fear of being locked. Sure I can get opposition or support, but at least I can make my self heard. Not here on the Official forums though, can't have people questioning anything. Not sure why this concept isn't coming across.
It has stayed open, because, as I said, the FMod team is open to discussion, both about our own limitations and the forums in general, and all players have a right to voice their opinions, which is what you're doing here. Further, I'm not threatening to lock the thread at all, but rather voicing my own opinion that the advice given needs to be more constructive for us to be able to implement it.

Again, if you'd like to expand upon what it is you're suggesting we change exactly, we can certainly talk about it; we're open to suggestions. In any case, you are being heard, as we're here attempting to have a discussion on the thread you opened on this subject. You are openly questioning the system right now, and are allowed to do so, within reason and as long as you stay within the rules.

02-Apr-2021 20:36:46

Loki
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Loki

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G Mask Owner said :
Like I said. Go to the Item discussion forum and look at my examples. Neither of those locked threads are breaking forum rules. They are locked because those two specific mods think they should be locked. One of the threads was posted a year before the latest comment, someone gravebumped it (which is against the forum rules). No one wants to read an old forum thread, especially one from a year before.

Can't really comment on the other thread getting locked. I think the OP of that thread should've worded it better to state "rares may have been duplicated", rather than making out they have been, which would potentially cause people to panic sell their items. If I were in that position, I wouldn't have locked the thread, and rather kept it open to discussion while clarifying it's a possibility items may be duped, however , FMods have guidelines to follow, that I do not know about, nor does any other regular forum user, which may be the reason the thread was locked.
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02-Apr-2021 20:41:46

2_Tron

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It is not just 'FMods' that killed The RSOF but Jagex/JMods their project behind all of it that pretty much made us being censored from the moment Andrew Gower left The Office and management were prohibited to do volunteer work and everything should be run as a business.

I do not say that everything is wrong as there have been good developments but behind the scenes Jagex/JMods in an extreme way wanna keep The RSOF extremely neat & tidy, everything has to make 'perfect sense' otherwise it will be dismissed, no dust should be visible so slightly 'abandoned threads' should be avoided to post on otherwise they will be locked instantly, spam is a definition only Jagex/JMods do know which depend on their skills as university students and thus the standards need to be kept as high as possible, every discussion should forward them knowledge they could profit from directly and social interrelation/connections should be avoided as much as possible because that only leads to a bag of nonsense and a lot of other spam they do not wanna hear.

02-Apr-2021 21:19:51

2_Tron

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My question for FMods is, what do you personally wanna achieve in The RSOF?

*edit* correction = this question also is for CMods - JMods all moderators involved in The RSOF.

What do you people in lead of The RSOF wanna achieve in The RSOF?

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