RuneScape Forum Archive | Fmods killed the forums

Dec

2023

Pis2ols

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Loki said :
Pis2ols said :
. I know who you're talking about, and I personally do not think they are ruining the forums, and in fact far from it. The main issue with Item Discussion, is the rules of the subforum. They need to be changed and updated. ID is not the only one that needs updating - pretty much all subforums need to be updated. The CoC needs more rules (or scenarios) added to it, for everyone to see.

You can try to shift the blame from an FMod to "Item Discussion rules" but in all seriousness, this is the person who literally altered JMod decisions and killed off FCs that have been around for years because he didn't like my friends chat. I talked to Mod Poerkie to help create new rules in Item Discussion Forums and this FMod didn't bat an eye and overturned them with his flashy status. You can see immediately how much forum post volume dropped after these changes.

Like I said before, there will always be people who try to defend his decisions, and that's all right, but forum user activity data doesn't lie.

New "rules" won't change anything. You can see the new "rules" proposed by the FMod and co support changes that FC's can't post prices anymore and make it harder to even post prices.

Item Discussion Forums will stay dead as long as this FMod is around. That is a fact.

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05-Apr-2021 23:38:11 - Last edited on 05-Apr-2021 23:53:08 by Pis2ols

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I will say that Item Discussion can be an especially challenging subforum to moderate because a lot of it boils down to accusations of manipulation, which is not something that's easily verifiable - they come from all sides.

Because of this, Mod Poerkie instituted a system a while back where moderation of that forum was left mostly to removing posts that were off-topic or irrelevant to threads (or outright flaming, of course) and stressed that users are expected to do their own research and make their own decisions at their own risk regarding forum prices and trading.

I won't claim it's a perfect system, but I do think that the idea of making judgement calls on trades as a point of moderation - even with the best of intentions - is a slippery slope. It unintentionally could lead to playing favourites, or accidentally making the wrong call, and influencing the economy in certain unintended ways. I think that's the reason Jagex preferred moderation take a back seat on that particular subforum.

I would definitely recommend submitting a report to FMR if you happen to find any moderation actions unacceptable, or if you think certain actions in ID are playing favourites or intentionally targetting certain aspects of the community without warrant when moderating that forum.

Again, I'd like to say that I think this thread has illuminated a lot about how different subforums or parts of the community feel about specific avenues of moderation and how they affect their respective subforums or communities.

I'd like to see this continue in a respectful way. I think it can be a good source of feedback and information for the CM team, as well as a way to ascertain what's working and what might not be, as long as it stays within the rules of the RSOF and focuses on constructive criticism, rather than flaming.

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06-Apr-2021 00:05:12 - Last edited on 06-Apr-2021 00:21:58 by CM Nick

Dec

2023

Pis2ols

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CM Nick said :
I will say that Item Discussion can be an especially challenging subforum to moderate because a lot of it boils down to accusations of manipulation, which is not something that's easily verifiable - they come from all sides.
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I would argue that it's a simple fix. I've already done the experiment creating an item discussion forum on discord that functions the same as the RSOF item discussion forums (but with a switch of the forum moderation team) and surprise surprise, there's hundreds of different people chatting, price checking, and trading items every day.

If you talk to many of the long-term forum users, people don't have many conflicts with the CM team or forum moderations in general. I don't mean to single anyone out, but it's literally just one person causing the downfall of item discussion forums.

Again, this FMod has been around for a long time and has a close relationship to many of the Jagex employees so I don't expect any change to happen in the moderation team or in RuneScape forums.

If you ever do decide to make a minor change in the moderation team, I'm 100% sure a ton of people would use forums again. Until then, forums will just be on a gradual decline.

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06-Apr-2021 00:32:06 - Last edited on 06-Apr-2021 00:36:42 by Pis2ols

Feb

2020

Mate

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Forums are dead because reddit/discord exists, not because of F Mods.

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06-Apr-2021 01:10:19

Jun

2018

Yurple

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First of all I'm going to try and keep this as civil as possible given the circumstances. I for one welcome any sort of extra features and insight that can help out the rest of the Community. Healthy competition is good for the game.

HOWEVER - calling something a "legit un-biased price checking service" while advertising that their service can make people rich is absolutely not the same thing. Profiting off members, is not what price checking should be about. It's about making up where the G.E. is limited to help Runescape grow.

Here is just an example I pulled from the wayback machine.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210120190945/https://www.ely.gg/flipping_guide

You can't be both a merchant clan, and unbiased. That's not how it works. That's just taking advantage of users for your own personal gain. I don't see any other big time merchant guilds spamming their FC and websites, and Discords all over this sub-thread and using bot's to spam it around world 2. I

I absolutely want relaxed rules on the forums, but when someone advertises a clan outside of clan recruitment it gets moved to the correct thread.

Why should any one, myself included, be exampt from that? Since when is it ok to spam forums?

My solution -
remove the Discord and site link advertisements all together for now on this sub-forum. Do not allow users to advertise "merchant" servers and instead direct them to the runescape official Discord where they can find information about all the community niche discords. Also - F-Mods should be the ones who lay out ground work for item info threads. Literally it's just channel pin, where you simply post an offer. That's it.

I've never once mentioned the alternate price checking service in here. But as far as I can tell, there are no flipping guides, only facts as are presented.
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06-Apr-2021 01:15:08 - Last edited on 06-Apr-2021 02:34:58 by Yurple

Jun

2018

Yurple

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Edit: Here's the website header information for the link that has been making the rounds lately.

https://gyazo.com/b947cca3bfb8565f2e191d06aa8e0065

That seems to be more along the lines of advertising a merchant clan, but every person has the right to make their own decisions.

Honesty goes a long way with me, and no one here has ever directly done me wrong. I don't hold any grudges. I just want people to informed, and to call a spade a spade.

However, blaming Forum Moderators as the reason to "start up a new awesome community" instead of admitting that the real reason why might be because certain unnamed people were banned from several community discords for committing egregious infractions that put entire Discords at risk of being shut down.

On top of that, rule breaking in game - causing a short ban might have added to that as well.

But you know what, that's neither here nor there, time served, debt to society fulfilled, so that's behind us.

Mods, if this post strayed a bit out of hand I apologize, please give me a chance to correct it if it was. I don't want to attack anyone, I just want to advocate fairness and transparency.

I think this is honestly a simple fix, the F-Mods and Community Helpers sit down with some of the more frequent users of this forum area (I'm not really one of them) and figure out a couple of rules. Not a lot. The only posts that should be on that Item Check history are verified screenshots of trades. In-game date and time included. At least then players can decide for themselves a good price range. No one needs to be spammed by anyone or accused of being a manipulator.
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06-Apr-2021 01:33:34 - Last edited on 06-Apr-2021 02:24:47 by Yurple

Jun

2006

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CM Nick said :

Also, as always, I'm super open to any questions about the CM team and what we do, if you have any questions or concerns or need any clarifications!

In that case, I seek your clarifications on whether Fmods/CMs have the tools to look at all the actions all Fmods have done on the threads if they are not logged on FH.

If your answer is yes, then I'd like to ask why Fmods can't discuss and come together with a consistent approach in handling the same issues, especially the clearly outlawed Conducted of Good Fourmers - discuss the topic, don't attack the fellow forumers.

If your answer is no, I'd like to propose such an easy to add improvement (please read my post in the last 2 pages) because I think it is very important for every mod to come make the same consistent, unbiased stride moving forward.

Thanks for your time!

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06-Apr-2021 02:46:29

Dec

2011

Archaeox

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When I and some clanmates visited Jagex in 2018, we were specifically told that "the forums aren't a priority" for the company.

If you want the forums to improve, that attitude has to change.

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