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Rooh
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While I hate to have to moderate a thread like this, I've had to remove a post on the previous page making accusations of manipulation, running bots and phishing.

@Surprised,

I know you didn't specifically name names, but it's obvious who you're referring to.

If you have any concerns (preferably with some sort of evidence) like that you can send them to [email protected].
Who's the cat that won't cop out when there's danger all about?

06-Apr-2021 16:27:10 - Last edited on 06-Apr-2021 17:00:48 by Rooh

ELITE STACK
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ELITE STACK

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I made a thread in item discussion forums discussing how returning accounts will affect rares as it was confirmed that items may be duped or removed and thread got locked for fearmongering without evidence to back it up. If Fmods are going to lock threads they should have to prove any problem they have with them on a Jmod review thread. If they really have a problem with it just lock threads with people using alts to create interest on them and if they happen to use 4+ alts they get a 2 day ban. I need my blue charms back.

06-Apr-2021 17:03:23

2_Tron

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As I have done, right now, all requested policies followed I will give an answer. More of, forced/pushed in this ridiculous situation without people responsible getting in the spotlights to run the gauntlet.

@Dilbert2001, your question asked about me personal in this thread is foremost totally irrelevant. You have a bad habit of doing it more than once.
The thread title is '
FMods
killed the forums' thus being the moderation team as a whole in The RuneScape Official Forums at Jagex's Website & Forums.
It is a mutual effort and is treated as a mutual effort, a team effort involving several layers of moderators.
Getting people individually involved and pin them down on a personal level drags this thread off topic, and it has been done a few times right now and it doesn't add anything fruitful to the discussion other than demeaning other people.

Jagex/JMods have always kept a sharp eye on what happens in The RuneScape Official Forums and my experience (10+ years) in these forums with the necessary ups & downs, the picture I have of The RuneScape Official Forums is pretty clear also in the lights of past months.

Your proposal is not a fair proposal but more or less a fishing attempt to know how it works ... and maybe benefit from it in the near future as you are frustrated that not always things work out the way you like to.

06-Apr-2021 21:29:14

2_Tron

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CM Nick said :
I have hidden a post in this thread for making unfounded accusations about the behaviour of FMods, as well as two posts quoting it.

I think this thread can lead to valuable feedback about what forumers think regarding moderation styles, the rules as they are and how they are interpreted, and more, and I'd like to see it continue in a positive way.

With that said, let's please keep things pertinent to the topic at hand and leave the wild accusations and flaming out of it. This thread is a chance for an open discussion regarding moderation that I think is healthy to have, but I'd like the thread to please stay on track and within the rules!

Thanks everyone! I have a question about the 'Login-Logout issue'. In the very beginning of March 4th 2021 there were threads made in several forums about the issue dying in need of a central place in The RSOF as a source to get back to for information.
Since my account was affected and unable to do anything myself I have been sitting waiting viewing how things did enfold and what did struck me ... the forum moderation team didn't make any effort to make a thread pinned in the General Forums run by forum moderators as a reliable source for information, ... why?

In these kind of situations you moderators can play a positive part being the eye's & ears for The RuneScape Community, and your skills in dealing with these kind of situations in a forum.

What I did notice that, once you did find a thread suitable in this situation, you actually pinned it down in General and had all the time with several different moderators to start making posts hidden. Why?

06-Apr-2021 21:43:01

Joel
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2005

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^ I can't speak to what hidden posts you're referring to but often in times where there's developing technical issues, we as Moderators don't always have any insight or further information above what the wider community already knows, or doesn't know.

If it's appropriate to sticky a thread, we'll often seek out if there's already a thread suitable and one already getting a bunch of posts and sticky that rather than an FMod creating one and locking everything else. Depends on the situation I guess and what threads have already been made.

So to your question, given there was already a suitable thread in General to sticky, it was clearly decided to sticky that rather than create one ourselves from the FMod team. :)
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06-Apr-2021 22:15:47

CM Nick

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As for myself/CM Arbor, the real reason comes down to timing. Our shift starts at approximately 6pm UK time, as we're meant to cover the back-end of the day.

Because of this, if there's an issue that's come to light during the day, generally when we log on and start doing our checks, there's already a dedicated thread discussing the issue created by a member of the community, and all of the updates for the day have usually already happened.

So if I show up at 6 and I'm getting up to speed, and there's already a central thread created by the community that's catalogued the issue and the Jagex updates, and already has a wealth of discussion about it in one cohesive thread, it makes much more sense to me to pin that as the central hub of discussion rather than create a whole new thread, and try to direct discussion there.

I don't really see a benefit in having us create a new thread and maintain the updating of the issues for it basically because there would be a big delay in relaying the information to the RSOF on a daily basis, and we'd be playing catch-up, whereas members of the community will have already posted these updates to the issue in various other threads across the forums and formed other discussion threads about the latest updates instead.

To me it just makes more sense that if there's already a centralized thread discussing the issue, that thread should become the stickied thread for it. I'm not sure that us creating an entirely new thread for it does anything other than give it a faint air of "official" since we're CMs. If users post misinformation, that'll get moderated, but mostly everyone will be talking about the official statements made by Jagex either on the website or on Reddit or Twitter. Our community is extremely helpful and supportive in times like this.

Also I'm not quite sure what you meant by your last point, "had all the time with several different moderators to start making posts hidden."

Do you mean in that stickied thread? Community Manager for Jagex

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06-Apr-2021 22:32:48 - Last edited on 06-Apr-2021 22:50:25 by CM Nick

CM Nick

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Wilf said :
The real question should be why was there no thread posted by a Jmod

I'd think it's largely similar as a timing thing, where they're able to easily and almost instantly update on the website as a newspost, or on Reddit or Twitter, but logging into the forums is a lot more arduous of a task right now for JMods what with the work from home setups and all.

Just my guess though! Community Manager for Jagex

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06-Apr-2021 22:42:06

Wilf
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I may be wrong but I believe on reddit the main discussion thread initially was by a user rather than a mod which was then subsequently replaced by one created by a jmod.

While possible I find it unlikely that CM were not in the office in the following days from the initial disruption.

just another example of neglect as far as I'm concerned



Anyway as somebody mentioned reddit as reason for the forums being killed I searched for "forums" on the reddit. Lot's of suggestions there for improving the forums.

06-Apr-2021 22:55:09

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