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Corder
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to be fair I'm not too fussed where politics is posted, so long as people keep it low profile.

Discord server's posting guidelines are decent and keeps everyone on the same page, whether they agree with eachother or not.
A problem i'd mention is FMods not being able to manage user access unlike in Discord. Removing a disruptive user from a forum section would probably require adminCP.
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05-Apr-2021 17:11:44

Mrs Ana

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Corder said :
to be fair I'm not too fussed where politics is posted, so long as people keep it low profile. This was the main problem: people did NOT keep it low profile. I believe that is why good things never last too long because individuals do not know how to behave and thus abuse these good things. In prior times, it was completely against the rules to engage in a politics discussion. We were then given the green line to be able to discuss these, but with the issues presented mainly last year leading up to the U.S. elections, Mod Kari decided to cut these short on July 31st, 2020.

Any Social Media platform is actually better to discuss these because you are capable of reporting any issues and these are resolved promptly. Furthermore, you have more leeway on what to discuss and you are barely censored. This is not the case here in Off-Topic and this is the main reason why these are no longer permitted. Politics and religion have always been controversial topics because everyone's opinion is different and not everyone has the ability to respect these.

05-Apr-2021 17:20:16

Dilbert2001
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Mrs Ana said :
Corder said :
to be fair I'm not too fussed where politics is posted, so long as people keep it low profile. This was the main problem: people did NOT keep it low profile. I believe that is why good things never last too long because individuals do not know how to behave and thus abuse these good things. In prior times, it was completely against the rules to engage in a politics discussion. We were then given the green line to be able to discuss these, but with the issues presented mainly last year leading up to the U.S. elections, Mod Kari decided to cut these short on July 31st, 2020.

Any Social Media platform is actually better to discuss these because you are capable of reporting any issues and these are resolved promptly.
Furthermore, you have more leeway on what to discuss and you are barely censored. This is not the case here in Off-Topic and this is the main reason why these are no longer permitted. Politics and religion have always been controversial topics because everyone's opinion is different and not everyone has the ability to respect these.

We are capable of reporting any issues and have them resolved promptly if everybody, all users and Fmods themselves use FH to report such issues without any exceptions.

I see the main difference in this RSOF is FMods are very inconsistent in letting players to turn an argument into a mountain because some of the Fmods allow some players to ignore the FH.

05-Apr-2021 17:25:51

Corder
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I appreciate your opinions.
As stated moderation tools here maybe insufficient to handle politics, but if they some day get enhanced, I'd expect serious discussions be more welcome than ever.
Discord community is good at keeping it civil in there, but of course there are a few bad apples here and there. Life is like a camera: Just focus on what's important, capture the good times, develop from the negatives, and if things don't work out, take another shot !

05-Apr-2021 17:33:23

Dilbert2001
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Corder said :
I appreciate your opinions.
As stated moderation tools here maybe insufficient to handle politics, but if they some day get enhanced, I'd expect serious discussions be more welcome than ever.
Discord community is good at keeping it civil in there, but of course there are a few bad apples here and there.

Social media have the similar tool which we calls FH in the RSOF. They take actions on the "bad apples" only they are properly reported and the action is most often not based on the sole discretion of one moderator.

The key difference is they are consistently following the guidelines they set forth. Social media moderators have to hit the report button themselves too, and the main platform (e.g. main Reddit) have the burden to make sure the subreddit moderators have the reports to show them in case something happen

05-Apr-2021 17:43:40

Mrs Ana

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As for the OP, I disagree that Forum Moderators "killed" the forums. First of all, the RSOFs are not dead. Yes, they have been somewhat deserted, but they are certainly not dead. If they were dead, I am sure that we may all agree with the fact that nobody would be posting here and we would definitely never see Mod Kari or the Forum Moderators post. Yes, we may only get 10-15 active users at any given time, but we are still receiving some kind of traffic. Furthermore, you have those long-time users that never leave the RSOFs and thanks to them, we are somewhat seeing movement here.

What really affected the RSOFs and most likely still does is the lack of updates and attention from Jagex. It seemed like moving to Social Media really affected the traffic here and it made sense from Jagex's point of view. Social Media allowed them to reach a greater audience and it also permitted Jagex Moderators to interact with the community while being out of Jagex's HQ. In prior times, it was not possible for Jagex Moderators to log into their mod accounts while being outside of Jagex's HQ, with Andrew and Paul being the exception to this rule. Then, the pandemic hit. Jagex Moderators were allowed to log into their mod accounts from home to allow them to work and practice a safe social distancing routine.

Social Media platform allows you to community better with everyone and there are features that attract people to these sites. The RSOFs are long overdue for an update if they wish to catch up to the traffic that you see on these platforms. Until this happens, we may never see the kind of activity that we once had when we'd have 300-600 active users at a time.

When you accept the invitation to become a Forum Moderator, you also accept their terms of service and set of rules. Whenever you see a Forum Moderator actioning a thread and/or post, they are simply following Jagex's rules and not moderating based on their opinion. That's why we have FMR if we disagree with their actions.

05-Apr-2021 17:45:21

Mrs Ana

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Corder said :
I appreciate your opinions.
As stated moderation tools here maybe insufficient to handle politics, but if they some day get enhanced, I'd expect serious discussions be more welcome than ever.
Discord community is good at keeping it civil in there, but of course there are a few bad apples here and there. Do you mind elaborating on what kind of tools need to be enhanced in order for Forum Moderators to better handle serious political discussions?

05-Apr-2021 17:46:59

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Stoat King said :
2_Tron said :
G Mask Owner said :
I feel like the best way forward is IF Jagex does decide to update the forums, they implement voting like many other forums have or Reddit or whatever and allow the community to decide what should or shouldn't be seen. X amount of down votes gets the post hidden unless you decide to unhide the post with a click. This includes leaving off topic posts, flaming, etc. If people don't agree they can ignore it, down vote it, or rebut the statement.

Forum moderators would then be used to ONLY clean up seriously offensive stuff like racism, real world law infractions, spam bots, etc.
NO


Ive got to agree with Lnk here.
Dont get me wrong - I think it would be hilarious to watch what would happen. But only to start with.
Reddit is hardly a good role-model. I should know, given the extent that I game their stupid system. Tbh the whole thing is kinda horrifying.

I definitely agree. I hate Reddit and the group think they have over there. But if I had suggested running this place like /rsg/ on 4chan then that would be instantly discarded even though that posting model seems to be one of the best on the internet. Extremely limited moderation is simply the best which is why it pains me to post here on the RSOF which is the exact opposite.

05-Apr-2021 17:57:41

Wilf
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Politics was allowed in 2017? and then removed in 2020

They were out of the way in a section you needed to be logged into view and then you'd need to click the politics related thread, which compared with all non political threads was minimal.


The only time there was a real problem was when the rules initially changed and guess what as soon as the trouble causers were banned along with alts peace returned.

05-Apr-2021 18:08:53

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