RuneScape Forum Archive | Fmods killed the forums

Oct

2017

Corder

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Mrs Ana said :
Do you mind elaborating on what kind of tools need to be enhanced in order for Forum Moderators to better handle serious political discussions? They should be able to manage user groups like HLF, Rants, Serious Discussion (any group without mod perks). My goal is to remove the burden off of JMods - seeing as HLF, FMR takes time to handle. Tempbans might be too excessive so using group-based access might work. Life is like a camera: Just focus on what's important, capture the good times, develop from the negatives, and if things don't work out, take another shot !

05-Apr-2021 18:10:24

Mrs Ana

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Dilbert2001 said :
@Mrs Ana

Let me ask you a question. Do you agree or disagree that Fmods have to use the FH to report a post if it is not already reported, before they take action? Huh? I'm a little confused by your question. Are you suggesting that Forum Moderators have to make a report to Forum Help -- if there isn't already one -- before they take action on that specific report regarding a thread and/or post? Is that what you mean by this specific question? If so, then, no given the fact that Forum Moderators have never been required to make a report to Forum Help prior to actioning a thread and/or post. Forum Help is for non-moderators to report rule-breaking here on the RSOFs.

Now, if a report requires the attention of an L-Mod or a J-Mod, then the Forum Moderator in question will utilize the appropriate means to forward those concerns to the respective parties. For example, if a thread's title has been edited by an L-Mod, Forum Moderators are not able to edit it any further and thus they require an L-Mod or a J-Mod to take such action. In that case, the report gets escalated to the appropriate individual.

All in all, I do not see the point in having a Forum Moderator make a report to Forum Help before they action a thread and/or post. Clearly, it makes no sense for them to report a thread and/or post to themselves to take action? What is the point in that? Again, if that's what you mean, no, I do not agree Forum Moderators have to do that since 1) they were never and are still not required to do so and 2) I'm perplexed as to why this would be needed and/or beneficial.

05-Apr-2021 19:32:04

Wolfblue42

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They did make changes around 3 years agoish. They asked for feedback for the forums and fmods.

I think the penguin drama with an fmod happened a little after, and it put fire under the jmods feet. They made a serious feedback thread in this section hosted by Mod Balance or Mod Kalaya.
(I forget the jmod hoster)

They were asking for feedback prior to the drama in fairness. But seemed like a turtoise dragging its feet. That forum feedback thread got to 100s of pages.

That was when they lifted all the restrictions.

05-Apr-2021 19:37:53

Wolfblue42

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They did host politics for a while in offtopic but a bunch of users had free reign to spam the section for like a month without much punishment. This was at the time where there was no jmod team for the forums except for Balance.

Eventually Balance got poked and said to hell with it and banned all the participants in the spam fest. And made some appropriate discussions sticky.

Politics went on for 3 years without much issue. Went on towards the end of Balance's time,Went on for Meadow's time, ended with Kari.

05-Apr-2021 19:41:56

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Mrs Ana said :
Dilbert2001 said :
@Mrs Ana

Let me ask you a question. Do you agree or disagree that Fmods have to use the FH to report a post if it is not already reported, before they take action? Huh? I'm a little confused by your question. Are you suggesting that Forum Moderators have to make a report to Forum Help -- if there isn't already one -- before they take action on that specific report regarding a thread and/or post? Is that what you mean by this specific question? If so, then, no given the fact that Forum Moderators have never been required to make a report to Forum Help prior to actioning a thread and/or post. Forum Help is for non-moderators to report rule-breaking here on the RSOFs.

Now, if a report requires the attention of an L-Mod or a J-Mod, then the Forum Moderator in question will utilize the appropriate means to forward those concerns to the respective parties. For example, if a thread's title has been edited by an L-Mod, Forum Moderators are not able to edit it any further and thus they require an L-Mod or a J-Mod to take such action. In that case, the report gets escalated to the appropriate individual.

All in all, I do not see the point in having a Forum Moderator make a report to Forum Help before they action a thread and/or post. Clearly, it makes no sense for them to report a thread and/or post to themselves to take action? What is the point in that? Again, if that's what you mean, no, I do not agree Forum Moderators have to do that since 1) they were never and are still not required to do so and 2) I'm perplexed as to why this would be needed and/or beneficial.

No. I mean if there isn't already one report on FH, the FMods can still take action of course, but he should also add the report to FH for the easy reference of other Fmods, CMs and Jmods.

05-Apr-2021 19:45:25

Oct

2017

Corder

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Dilbert2001 said :
Mrs Ana said :
Dilbert2001 said :
No. I mean if there isn't already one report on FH, the FMods can still take action of course, but he should also add the report to FH for the easy reference of other Fmods, CMs and Jmods. Ah, do you mean they should log their actions? I think they have some sort of audit logs that the FMod team can view - i.e hidden, moved posts. Life is like a camera: Just focus on what's important, capture the good times, develop from the negatives, and if things don't work out, take another shot !

05-Apr-2021 19:50:57

Mrs Ana

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Dilbert2001 said :
No. I mean if there isn't already one report on FH, the FMods can still take action of course, but he should also add the report to FH for the easy reference of other Fmods, CMs and Jmods. I do not think this is necessary as their actions are already logged for every other F-Mod and L-Mod to see. As for banning someone, I think that's automatically checked by Jagex. Imagine having F-Mods report every single instance of their action to Forum Help for other moderators to see...that's a lot of work and unnecessary given the fact that they have their own tools and means to keep track of what has been actioned or not.

05-Apr-2021 19:54:28

Wolfblue42

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Now that I remember, Meadows changed FMR last alteration I remember in regards to Fmods.

I think there are still some trivial locks/hides at times.

Locking topics instead of just moving them always annoyed me.

Think things are far better than before the Balance/Kalaya feedback thread hosted here.

I dislike the whole locking a discussion topic till a jmod shows up. Guess they want the topic to stay simple and easier to read. Think that's a tad overkill.

05-Apr-2021 19:58:07

Mrs Ana

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Furthermore, I think it was CM Nick that stated that at the end of his shift, he has to log everything he has done and send that to Jagex at the end of the day. To be honest, that makes sense because he's a paid employee; however, as you may already know, Forum Moderators are volunteers and are definitely not paid for their service. Having them make a report to Forum Help is not included in their voluntary position and if it were, then it'd make them seem like employees instead of volunteers

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05-Apr-2021 20:01:41

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Corder said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Mrs Ana said :
Dilbert2001 said :
No. I mean if there isn't already one report on FH, the FMods can still take action of course, but he should also add the report to FH for the easy reference of other Fmods, CMs and Jmods. Ah, do you mean they should log their actions? I think they have some sort of audit logs that the FMod team can view - i.e hidden, moved posts.

Yes, but for the Fmods to add the report entry to FH if there isn't one existing will enable every Fmod/CM/Jmod to have a way to achieve consistencies. They can make amends or take note for future issues.

05-Apr-2021 20:01:45

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