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Tenebri
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XSlay4DeathX said :
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Origin Nexus said :
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does that mean its not happening though? no of course not.

https://www.usgs.gov/centers/norock/science/status-glaciers-glacier-national-park So, in 2020 they had to remove the signs saying all the glaciers will be gone by 2020, and your rebuttal is an article from 2016? Do you see the issue with that?


It also seems like you didn't actually read the article, otherwise you might realize WHY these glaciers have been melting for the last 100 years...

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These glaciers grew substantially during the Little Ice Age (LIA) that began around 1400 AD and reached their maximum size around 1850 AD.

yep and there is a cycle. they are now melting. which we are speeding up. as stated with many links through out this thread

just because they arent completely gone now. doesnt mean it was a lie lol

it's speeding up because of less cooling, take 2 ice coolers, the one with more ice will melt slower :P

Which means less ice, faster melt, which will speed up

and why is there less ice?

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29-May-2023 19:38:32 - Last edited on 29-May-2023 19:39:40 by Tenebri

XSlay4DeathX
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Tenebri said :
XSlay4DeathX said :
Tenebri said :
Origin Nexus said :
Tenebri said :
does that mean its not happening though? no of course not.

https://www.usgs.gov/centers/norock/science/status-glaciers-glacier-national-park So, in 2020 they had to remove the signs saying all the glaciers will be gone by 2020, and your rebuttal is an article from 2016? Do you see the issue with that?


It also seems like you didn't actually read the article, otherwise you might realize WHY these glaciers have been melting for the last 100 years...

Original message details are unavailable.
These glaciers grew substantially during the Little Ice Age (LIA) that began around 1400 AD and reached their maximum size around 1850 AD.

yep and there is a cycle. they are now melting. which we are speeding up. as stated with many links through out this thread

just because they arent completely gone now. doesnt mean it was a lie lol

it's speeding up because of less cooling, take 2 ice coolers, the one with more ice will melt slower :P

Which means less ice, faster melt, which will speed up

and why is there less ice?

90+ % earth doesn't have ice so i guess the other regions and cold water will only slow the melt so much, not to mention currents hitting it will decay it. etc

natural stuff happening, maybe a mere 1-5% of what you do i cause it to speed up, what you going to honestly do? 1-5% is nothing.

29-May-2023 19:41:55 - Last edited on 29-May-2023 19:43:54 by XSlay4DeathX

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I'v been to a city before, not enough trees to clean the air.....

"Hey Paul some crazy guy just told me we need X amount of trees per each area to cover the cleaning process of car emissions"

"Wooh! you saying car emissions don't travel miles to those trees we planted on those house lots? wasn't enough?..."

"Paul, the emissions travel up and go with wind currents....the city has no trees accept for in parks and pathways"

"ohhhh...."


^humanity in a nutshell. :D

29-May-2023 19:51:01

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Tenebri said :
XSlay4DeathX said :
Tenebri said :
Origin Nexus said :
Tenebri said :
does that mean its not happening though? no of course not.

https://www.usgs.gov/centers/norock/science/status-glaciers-glacier-national-park So, in 2020 they had to remove the signs saying all the glaciers will be gone by 2020, and your rebuttal is an article from 2016? Do you see the issue with that?


It also seems like you didn't actually read the article, otherwise you might realize WHY these glaciers have been melting for the last 100 years...

Original message details are unavailable.
These glaciers grew substantially during the Little Ice Age (LIA) that began around 1400 AD and reached their maximum size around 1850 AD.

yep and there is a cycle. they are now melting. which we are speeding up. as stated with many links through out this thread

just because they arent completely gone now. doesnt mean it was a lie lol

it's speeding up because of less cooling, take 2 ice coolers, the one with more ice will melt slower :P

Which means less ice, faster melt, which will speed up

and why is there less ice?

Why is there less ice in the spring time than the middle of winter?

After EVERY ice age, big or little, there is a period of time in which the earth warms up. You can see an example of this every year as the seasons cycle. After it's cold, it gets warm. After the winter, spring and summer are warmer.

To follow the example of climate alarmists, you could claim that since January, the temperature has risen drastically, and much of the snow and ice has melted, and then associate this with the number of people who are BBQing in the spring and conclude that the warming is man made, and that if people don't stop BBQing, the entire earth will melt and flood.

29-May-2023 19:57:48

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Origin Nexus said :
I fully acknowledged previous climate fluctuations, I said as much in my post. The only difference this time is that we've been pumping additional CO2 into the atmosphere as part of the industrial revolution and that there's clear correlation between increased CO2 in the atmosphere, and an increase in global average temperature, including ocean temperature as well.

There's a clear consensus across the board, from many countries whether it be NASA in the US, Met Office in the UK and so on that humans have had an impact on our climate. We can debate how much but as much as we know the Earth is a globe and not flat, we also know we've had a measurable impact on our climate, regardless of the fact that the planet itself goes through periods of cooling and warming.

Not only that, it's had a very noticeable impact on more frequent extreme weather events, from droughts, to hurricanes, floods etc.

I guess I should just ask you straight up; Do you believe (as almost all climate scientists do) that the climate change is a thing and we've had a part to play in that?

Because whether we've had a small or huge impact on the climate (whichever side of the fence you sit), the climate is changing and we need to address it meaningfully.
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29-May-2023 19:59:21

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XSlay4DeathX said :
I'v been to a city before, not enough trees to clean the air.....

"Hey Paul some crazy guy just told me we need X amount of trees per each area to cover the cleaning process of car emissions"

"Wooh! you saying car emissions don't travel miles to those trees we planted on those house lots? wasn't enough?..."

"Paul, the emissions travel up and go with wind currents....the city has no trees accept for in parks and pathways"

"ohhhh...."


^humanity in a nutshell. :D Technically, as weird as it sounds, the pollution produced by cars in large cities helps to lower the amount of atmospheric methane, as certain reactants in the pollution breaks down the methane. This was observed during the C19 lockdowns where the amount of vehicle emissions was reduced extensively, but the amount of atmospheric methane rose drastically as there weren't enough reactants in the air to break down the methane.

29-May-2023 20:04:23

Tenebri
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Origin Nexus said :
Tenebri said :
XSlay4DeathX said :
Tenebri said :
Origin Nexus said :
Tenebri said :
does that mean its not happening though? no of course not.

https://www.usgs.gov/centers/norock/science/status-glaciers-glacier-national-park So, in 2020 they had to remove the signs saying all the glaciers will be gone by 2020, and your rebuttal is an article from 2016? Do you see the issue with that?


It also seems like you didn't actually read the article, otherwise you might realize WHY these glaciers have been melting for the last 100 years...

Original message details are unavailable.
These glaciers grew substantially during the Little Ice Age (LIA) that began around 1400 AD and reached their maximum size around 1850 AD.

yep and there is a cycle. they are now melting. which we are speeding up. as stated with many links through out this thread

just because they arent completely gone now. doesnt mean it was a lie lol

it's speeding up because of less cooling, take 2 ice coolers, the one with more ice will melt slower :P

Which means less ice, faster melt, which will speed up

and why is there less ice?

Why is there less ice in the spring time than the middle of winter?

.

so with this the ice should replenish each winter.
but its not

why is that?
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29-May-2023 20:05:56

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Origin Nexus said :
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Not to mention, vehicles running on gas are extremely inefficient with most of the energy being used is lost to waste heat rather than propulsion. That isn't the case with EVs. That IS the case with EVs, except the majority waste heat is produced at the power plant, not in the vehicle. The typical fossil fuel plant is less than 50% efficient, and coal plants are around 35% efficient. Not only that, but there is massive energy loss in the transportation of electricity. Every time a step down or step up transformer is used in the grid, a loss of about 2% is present. There is also line loss. Depending on what statistics you're looking at, the losses are reported as being as high as 15% just during distribution.

You need to look at the bigger picture, instead of narrowly focusing.
And what about the extraction of oil from the ground, to the refinement and then transportation of gasoline before it even hits the gas tank to give vehicles about a 16% efficiency rate? All while not being renewable after it has been burnt off.

An EV is around 76%+ efficient in terms of the energy it uses for propulsion, not to mention the use of regen braking to recover even more energy that would otherwise just be lost.

Power generation is a separate debate to how energy efficient end devices (in this case a vehicle) are and can be in the future. There's many ways to generate power, all with their own different levels of efficiency.

The amount of energy that hits the earth from the sun alone each day is staggering, even if we can capture a fraction of that in addition to hydro, wind, nuclear etc.
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29-May-2023 20:08:58

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Origin Nexus said :
After EVERY ice age, big or little, there is a period of time in which the earth warms up. You can see an example of this every year as the seasons cycle. After it's cold, it gets warm. After the winter, spring and summer are warmer.

To follow the example of climate alarmists, you could claim that since January, the temperature has risen drastically, and much of the snow and ice has melted, and then associate this with the number of people who are BBQing in the spring and conclude that the warming is man made, and that if people don't stop BBQing, the entire earth will melt and flood. Are you trying to be disingenuous or just having a bit of fun? :P

Annual cycles of seasonal whether we experience in both the Northern and Southern hemispheres isn't the same as studying the overall trends with the climate or sea temperatures over longer periods of time; In the same way that whether isn't the same as climate.

Climate can impact whether but they're not the same.
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