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XSlay4DeathX said :
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^ I'm not condoning the methods in which people are being exploited in the mining industry for battery materials, don't get me wrong. That needs addressing 100%.

That however is a separate topic and separate debate.


I know, just bringing awareness to it. batteries will only serve at most 20% of the globe, rest is gas.

I think the power grid would blow at even 50%
Gas isn't going away ANYTIME soon. That's very clear.

Power grids and infrastructure is again a separate debate but there's been studies done that show that during off peak periods there's a huge amount of energy available with little demand (e.g overnight) which is why electricity prices can fluctuate quite a bit during peak times vs off peak times.

With that in mind, more demand on current grids is inevitable (obviously) but not as much as one would think. I recall reading about one study done last year or the year before that came out with a figure of 16-20% increase on overall demand if most or all of our vehicles transitioned to electric. Take that with a pinch of salt.

Regardless, power grids and infrastructure isn't something that stands still. There will inevitable be advances in that side of things.

When gas vehicles started to become a thing, there weren't as many gas stations as there are now. Why? Because that infrastructure was still being worked on, same will apply here. :)
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29-May-2023 20:38:53

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XSlay4DeathX said :
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I love the fact that there's companies now entering the space of battery recycling
because it means the already extracted materials can be recycled and repurposes rather than needlessly thrown away increasing even more demand for NEW materials.


Well that's good if it's true, trust is sadly broken these days.
Redwood Materials is one company I know for sure are in that space which is great news :)

I would think inevitably more companies enter into this space in the future as this market grows.
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29-May-2023 20:42:47

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Joel said :
With that in mind, more demand on current grids is inevitable (obviously) but not as much as one would think. I recall reading about one study done last year or the year before that came out with a figure of 16-20% increase on overall demand if most or all of our vehicles transitioned to electric. Take that with a pinch of salt.



California restricts EV charging a week after passing future ban on gas-powered vehicles
https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-world/california-restricts-ev-charging-a-week-after-passing-future-ban-on-gas-powered-vehicles


So, basically, they're banning gas powered vehicles, but also restricting people from charging their EVs because the power grid cannot handle the current usage. This is happening BEFORE "most or all of our vehicles transitioned to electric".

29-May-2023 20:48:10

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Origin Nexus said :
Joel said :
With that in mind, more demand on current grids is inevitable (obviously) but not as much as one would think. I recall reading about one study done last year or the year before that came out with a figure of 16-20% increase on overall demand if most or all of our vehicles transitioned to electric. Take that with a pinch of salt.



California restricts EV charging a week after passing future ban on gas-powered vehicles
https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-world/california-restricts-ev-charging-a-week-after-passing-future-ban-on-gas-powered-vehicles


So, basically, they're banning gas powered vehicles, but also restricting people from charging their EVs because the power grid cannot handle the current usage. This is happening BEFORE "most or all of our vehicles transitioned to electric".
Sounds like there's more of a need to better fund infrastructure projects :)

I believe their 2035 ban is for new vehicles anyway, not used vehicles which is still a huge market. Even then, maybe that deadline gets pushed back. Who knows.
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29-May-2023 20:57:45

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Joel said :
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What technology?
Perhaps scientific advancements would more accurate to say than technology but tech can apply too.

By that I just mean we have progressed in the way we generate power. One example is coal to nuclear.
I totally agree that nuclear energy production is the way to go. The first nuclear power plant was built over 70 years ago, and there are almost 450 nuclear power plants across the globe today.

But oddly enough, the climate alarmists also fight against nuclear power for some reason... almost like it's not actually about clean energy... almost like it's just about the money. If the world was entirely nuclear powered, there wouldn't be any demand to solicit donations to "fight climate change" or any reason to apply "carbon taxes".

Think about it.

You live in Ontario.

40% of Ontario's electricity is produced through hydroelectric power generation.
10% is produced through nuclear power generation.
30% is produced through solar power generation.
20% is produced through biomass power generation.

All of these power generation stations are claimed to be "clean energy", yet, your electricity bill includes a hefty carbon tax. Why is that? If there is no carbon being emitted from these power generation plants, why are you being charged a "carbon tax" for utilizing the electricity?

29-May-2023 21:13:45

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Joel said :
When gas vehicles started to become a thing, there weren't as many gas stations as there are now. Why? Because that infrastructure was still being worked on, same will apply here. :)
Fun fact, electric vehicles were invented long before gas vehicles were invented.

First electric vehicle was invented in 1832 by Robert Anderson.
First gas vehicle was invented in 1886 by Carl Benz.

29-May-2023 21:26:45

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Death Rattle said :
It is also known that our polar ice melting has accelerated dramatically beginning around 1994. Sea level rise however modest is about to destroy the city of Venice, Italy. Paintings from the year 1700 or so have shown the sea level was about 2-3 feet lower then. Many stairways in these buildings along their canals are underwater now. Recently there was a project undergone to raise the level of their sidewalks by 4 and a half feet to compensate, and they even are contemplating building offshore retractable walls to protect the city.
Claims like this are fun to debunk. Let's start off with the first claim:
Death Rattle said :
It is also known that our polar ice melting has accelerated dramatically beginning around 1994.
Following this post, the polar ice sheets grew drastically over the next few years, to the point that:

Arctic Sea Ice Extent Second Highest in 18 Years at the end of 2021
https://www.severe-weather.eu/global-weather/arctic-sea-ice-second-highest-18-years-end-2021-rrc/



Death Rattle said :
Sea level rise however modest is about to destroy the city of Venice, Italy. Paintings from the year 1700 or so have shown the sea level was about 2-3 feet lower then.


Painting of Doge's Palace, painted by Giovanni Antonio Canal in the 1730's


Photo of Doge's Palace, taken in 2022:


Death Rattle said :
Many stairways in these buildings along their canals are underwater now.
Meanwhile in 2023:



29-May-2023 22:12:27

Origin Nexus

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"But Nexus, didn't I see pictures of Venice flooding due to climate change, such as this one?"


Yes, you did. But did you also see the photographs from the 1966 flood, such as this one?


Venice regularly floods. It's not uncommon. It's been happening for a long time. Here's a painting by Vincenzo Chilone from the early 1800's of a view of the flooded Piazza San Marco:


Compared to a recent photo:



But, um, tell me if you think you can spot a pattern here, in regards to the flooding:



If Italy is being flooded due to rising sea levels, then why are the flood levels seem to be indicating the opposite?


This is the first time in history that the Canals have run dry... so... it's a weird claim that that the rising sea levels are going to destroy Italy... when the evidence actually shows the opposite.

29-May-2023 22:26:32

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You know what's interesting? The government charges you carbon tax... but doesn't pay you carbon credits as a homeowner with a lawn and trees that capture carbon.

The real weird thing is that while they're telling you to not contribute to atmospheric carbon, they will insist that you maintain your lawn at a specific height, and not allow it to grow to full height. You're required to reduce the amount of carbon offset that your lawn produces by cutting it down with a lawnmower, which is generally powered by gasoline. So not only in addition to reducing the carbon offset of your lawn, you're producing even more atmospheric carbon in the process.

And if you don't cut your lawn, well, then they send a bunch of guys in gasoline powered vehicles with with trailers full of gasoline powered machinery to cut your lawn themselves, and then send you a highly inflated bill for the service.

So, like, they tell you not to contribute to the atmospheric carbon, but at the same time, you're required to reduce your carbon offset and contribute to the atmospheric carbon in the process, otherwise they'll do it for you and demand money.

30-May-2023 00:09:46

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