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Noctis King

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I thought of this: all three bosses drop mystic cloth and corrupt gear; giant mole exclusively drops clingy mole to make an anti-dragonfire shield; and chaos elemental drops corrupt gear in f2p. KBD drops draconic visage in f2p, which is only useful for p2p. I suggest something that would make it unique to f2p.

Since KBD dropped the draconic visage in f2p, according to the RS wiki, dragon-fire shields are tier 70, and dragon banes are tier 80 only for p2p. I guess use draconic visage to create new tier 55 weapons; for example, let's say the dragon gravite weaponry. Dragon Tier 55 weaponry, including magic and range weapons, will have a 10 to 15% advantage in dealing more damage to dragons. The dragon gravite weapon or tier 55 equivalent will have less bonus advantage than the dragon banite weapon (which is 25% extra). This would make Gravite weapons useful for killing dragons.

I would suggest dragon-rune weaponry, but rune dragons are monsters and could be confusing to mix up.

03-Oct-2023 00:50:55

Rikornak
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Seasons Past said :
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I think by now it's probably for the best to re-design the guild from scratch. This idea was something I concepted shortly following the master crafter promotion, which came with a few changes and additions to the guild.

At that time I thought of making this thing more appealing by changing it into a good location for most crafting related things. The issue is - by now - the fort happened, which is a highly superior location when it comes to making use of your materials (workshop and workroom being the most important ones when it comes to crafting - just think about how close you'll have the facilities to a bank chest, you're gaining resting xp while in the fort and you're gaining certain room specific benefits), which kinda would reduce the crafting guild into a location only good for when you want to obtain raw materials (since you would have gold, silver and gems extremely close to a deposit box) - or when you want to use gathered materials directly.

I still do think a lot of the proposed things certainly should happen, since it would make it the place for most crafting related things from scratch - but the guild by now certainly needs something exclusive (think of deep sea fishing for the fishing guild, which is basically the sole reason for the guild to exist) for players to be there. And what I certainly also would do: Every floor should feature a bank chest - no further unlocks needed whatsoever. A lot of the old guilds are so crappy, since they've been designed as restrictively as they are - and thus they easily get outperformed by other locations. Honestly - I was really disappointed about that "rework" back then - even when it just happened for them to use it as the location for some MTX promotion.

And what I certainly also would do seeing that reputation concept - progression system related to archaeology, rather than farming. You would unlock ranks upon raising up in levels. Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
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03-Oct-2023 09:30:24 - Last edited on 03-Oct-2023 09:45:20 by Rikornak

Rikornak
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Noctis King said :
I thought of this: all three bosses drop mystic cloth and corrupt gear; giant mole exclusively drops clingy mole to make an anti-dragonfire shield; and chaos elemental drops corrupt gear in f2p. KBD drops draconic visage in f2p, which is only useful for p2p. I suggest something that would make it unique to f2p.

Since KBD dropped the draconic visage in f2p, according to the RS wiki, dragon-fire shields are tier 70, and dragon banes are tier 80 only for p2p. I guess use draconic visage to create new tier 55 weapons; for example, let's say the dragon gravite weaponry. Dragon Tier 55 weaponry, including magic and range weapons, will have a 10 to 15% advantage in dealing more damage to dragons. The dragon gravite weapon or tier 55 equivalent will have less bonus advantage than the dragon banite weapon (which is 25% extra). This would make Gravite weapons useful for killing dragons.

I would suggest dragon-rune weaponry, but rune dragons are monsters and could be confusing to mix up.

In general the KBD is vile as a boss. It's exclusives are rancidly rare and to add insult to injury they're extremely unappealing items. Dragonrider as hybrid armour without unique properties was always broken (and jagex basically is unable or unwilling to do something about that) and the ornament sets are for equipment nobody will ever use (since yeah - it's for a shield, that's dropped from a boss way beyond its suggested tier). Visage isn't really an exclusive drop, since all dragons, but the lowest levelled variants can drop it - some regular dragons like rune or celestial 10 times more common as the KBD.

A lower levelled dragonbane weapon would be rather niche, but I think it could be valid reward space. Unsure if the visage should be used for this. It basically macgyvering random things together. Probably also not for melee, since gud raider exists as t55 - but why not a 1h crossbow or a wand? Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
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03-Oct-2023 09:44:39 - Last edited on 03-Oct-2023 09:46:22 by Rikornak

Noctis King

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@Rikornak Draconic Visage is in f2p as a drop and only KBD drops it in f2p. There is no value in f2p other than selling or becoming a member to upgrade. Yeah any tier 55 weapon you suggest works.

I think vanilla cow should be added to the cooks guild. This would help create a vanilla cheesecake. Chocolate milk can be made in P2P by mixing chocolate dust and milk. The chocolate bars in Port Sarim and Traveley Chocolate bars can be converted into chocolate dust. Even though, Vanilla, Chocolate, and Strawberry cows are on a farming guild or player-owned farm in p2p. Vanilla and strawberry milk are f2p items.

Garden Pie should be made f2p as well. All ingredients are f2p.

I agree on Potato with butter and potato with cheese should also be in f2p since the ingredients are in f2p.

Creating these foods falls under cooking level 55.

12-Oct-2023 18:08:58 - Last edited on 12-Oct-2023 18:22:39 by Noctis King

Rikornak
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Yeah I know, it's the only place for free players to obtain the visage, it was more thought from a global perspective, in which you basically could obtain the visage from almost any dragon - exceptions being green, blue, red and bronze - which is the reason why the visage also is featured on the generic slayer drop log. If the visage was to be made more relevant it comes with a brutal issue - it's insanely rare from the KBD and it probably really only drops, since any dragon but the absolutely lowest variants would do so - and even those would be more feasible to obtain it, since you can kill them so much more frequently.

I've added the chocolate milk suggestion for the cheese cake back then, since it would be an extremely trivial change - alongside the fixes from ascending it from a pseudo quest item into something 'real' - akin to strips of cloth from back in the day. I think vanilla and strawberry could be interesting as well, but they certainly would need more work - strawberries would be easier, since they could allow players to combine strawberries (which easily would be included in a 20 farming extension) with milk. Vanilla doesn't exist per se, with the exception of a quest item in the kharazi jungle. I don't think they should just add some spawns somewhere, it certainly still should be part of some skilling loop. Generally those milks could be rethought, without devaluing this part of the POF too much.

Garden pie is a good catch. Added it. Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
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14-Oct-2023 09:53:31

Noctis King

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Ok, if your saying special cow would devalue POF, those cows are also in the farming guild. However, creating vanilla milk would also devalue the use of vanilla cows. I only considered Vanilla Cow to be in the cooks guild. In the P2P world, strawberry milk as a special item is one of the items to be obtained. However, by receiving strawberry milk either in P2P, trade, or grand exchange, making strawberry cheesecake would be possible.

It does not make sense to only have chocolate cheesecake to f2p without vanilla cheesecake, a lower level than the former for members only.

Apparently these items are f2p
https://runescape.wiki/w/Vanilla_milk
https://runescape.wiki/w/Strawberry_milk

While Chocolatey Milk is p2p
https://runescape.wiki/w/Chocolatey_milk

14-Oct-2023 17:40:45 - Last edited on 15-Oct-2023 02:45:26 by Noctis King

Rikornak
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The odd one out in here certainly is the chocolate milk, since it historically was some pseudo quest item from back in RSC (you were able to create it at all times, but it was untradeable (which it still is btw) and had no function besides being used for a quest and a miniquest respectively), while the other two variants were only introduced with the POF.

It's a bit weird, that those two milks are tagged as f2p objects, but that's basically just a bug, since you can neither obtain (besides trading), nor use them.

Noctis King said :
It does not make sense to only have chocolate cheesecake to f2p without vanilla cheesecake, a lower level than the former for members only.

That is wrong. It may not make sense on a very first glance, but that's literally something you've always had been confronted with ever since membership was a thing.

Members often enough have (improved) access to intermediate features, which free players just would not have, since they just can't access that stuff.

Take a look alone at the things you could fish and cook as a member, which literally lie somewhere in between the things free players could. That is given the fact free players can't access them. Outright the same thing with those cheesecakes. Free players could access the chocolate ones without altering the creation process, but there is no chance whatsoever for strawberry and vanilla. Or take the baked potatoes - it makes sense to give free players most of them up to egg - but you wouldn't be able to create the chilli one - since it's based on components only available with membership. Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
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15-Oct-2023 06:40:01 - Last edited on 15-Oct-2023 11:28:57 by Rikornak

Rikornak
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As said: Strawberry milk would be easier as an alternative if players could just use the existing strawberries for a recipe comparable to the chocolate one. But a vanilla plant only exists in a quest locked area - so we would need to introduce some kind of farmable variant as well. Totally open for that, but do not just spawn it somewhere solely for the sake of f2p access. Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
Quick Fixes: Invention

15-Oct-2023 11:30:56

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