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4p
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I Lack Heart said :

if santa is as rare as you suggest, that makes black santa one of the rarest items in the game. 100k santas may have never been in the game, but this time people had hindsight of party hats to see how valuable they became. i did not play back then sadly so what ever i say of the time is just speculation looking at the price history of items and knowledge of collectors of early 04-06.


It's confirmed that there are only 1,000 Holly Wreaths in-game, and it was confirmed that the Black Santa Hat has a 1/2000 chance to be obtained from a Festive Cracker. On drop-rate, there would need to be 2,000,000 Fesitve Crackers over the 15 day period to bring 1,000 Black Santas into the game.

According to Wiki, Black Santa is second rarest discontinued since 2002 - but I'm unsure if this is an assumption as I don't believe the actual Black Santa numbers were released (only their drop-rate).

Taking the average number of players on 13th December 2019 (Festive Cracker was 13 December 2013 but stats don't go back that far) - there were an average of 35,000 players online constantly throughout the day (adding the most and least amount of players throughout the day).
2,000,000 Festive Crackers required to gain 1,000 BSH over 15 days = 133,333 daily Festive Crackers. That's 3.8 crackers required per day, per person, which sounds quite easy based on the average daily player count - so there are likely more than 1,000 BSH in the game, making Holly Wreath the rarest

Also, I appreciate more people will have kept hold of their Santa Hats in hindsight of other Holiday Items, and I completely agree that they are abundant in comparison to other Holiday Items - but even when I try agree that there were 100k in 2009, I honestly can't find any logic or statistics which would suggest 100k came into the game in the first place. That's the part I've been debating :)

Edit: maths, player & Festive Cracker stats, typos

04-Jul-2020 00:06:43 - Last edited on 04-Jul-2020 00:27:13 by 4p

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I Lack Heart said :
4p said :
Purple Phat increased 3.5x value, Santa increased 8x value in the same time period, even though there are hardly any phats in the game compared to Santas. Could this be related?

was not related, or kind of was related, those videos created movement on merchers to buy santas, people did also focus on green partyhat hoarding at that time and then blue h'ween.


As a side-note, the direct comparison for this, and what lead me to this, was that "100% of 3rd Age Mage Robe Bottoms were bought out, and the price jumped to 100m+. Chessy had 1k Santas and the price didn't move"

Make up a number, let's say there were 25,000 Santa Hats in game. If Chessy bought 1k Santas, that's 4% of the total volume. Would that move the price much?
By comparison, if the person bought 4% of those 230 '3rd Age Mage Robe Bottom' (9 or 10 of them) would it have moved the price much? Again, I'm no Market Expert by any means!

Comparisons are being made which don't help the 100k+ 2009 Santa volume explanation, but we've come up with a lot of reasons as to why it's likely impossible that 100k ever came into the game in the first place :)

04-Jul-2020 00:38:25

Pkavidas

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yea wreath is most definitely the rarest tradeable in game. Honestly not sure why wreath/scythe aren't worth more considering the small number of them in game (1000/5000)

Maybe aesthetic reasons or because of a fear of re-release...

wreath is really interesting because it's likely that some players are sitting on a lot of them from when they were sold on ge. hundred(s) of them could be sitting with hoarders. Really don't see a lot of players with wreaths compared to even phats and only a handful of trades every month.

edit: there are most likely less than a thousand wreaths in game. I witnessed someone win one this year from a glowing cracker.

04-Jul-2020 00:41:37 - Last edited on 04-Jul-2020 02:42:23 by Pkavidas

I Am Jeff
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Pkavidas said :
yea wreath is most definitely the rarest tradeable in game. Honestly not sure why wreath/scythe aren't worth more considering the small number of them in game (1000/2500)

Maybe aesthetic reasons or because of a fear of re-release...

wreath is really interesting because it's likely that some players are sitting on a lot of them from when they were sold on ge. hundred(s) of them could be sitting with hoarders. Really don't see a lot of players with wreaths compared to even phats and only a handful of trades every month.

edit: there are most likely less than a thousand wreaths in game. I witnessed someone win one this year from a glowing cracker.


If someone did receive a holly in 2020 from a cracker they were holding that definitely means less than 1,000 in game and will probably never hit the 1,000 if they are still being won from old crackers.

Just wanted to point out - 5,000 X-Mas Scythes not 2,500 :P

Anyone have theories to how many CTH in game?

04-Jul-2020 02:16:17 - Last edited on 04-Jul-2020 02:17:55 by I Am Jeff

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Just a theory, but assuming pumpkin is truly sub 900 and disk above max while easter is rather high:

Perhaps pumpkin is unwanted presently because it's old and orange, reminiscent of President Trump. It might be a good investment to buy them then, if expecting Trump to lose in November.

Also, the Russian government might be behind rare movements.
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04-Jul-2020 04:41:32

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Jeremy Cheng said :
Anyone have a guess on what would happen to discontinued rares price if Jagex announced the exact number of each discontinued rare?


It really depends but most likely a lot of items would raise in price even more, especially the ones that are low in numbers.
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04-Jul-2020 06:15:18

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