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nyxiah

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4p said :
@Nyxiah

Alright, let’s say 7,500 Black Santas were released into the game. On day 10, there was an average of 5,000 Black Santa hats, and therefore 50,000 Red Santa Hats

You’ve said in 2009 there were 100k+ Santa Hats

Where did the other 50k+ disappear to between 2009-2013?


I would assume they left with inactive accounts, we could go back and look at how many accounts went inactive between 2009-2013, and maybe all the way up to 2020, but honestly I don't want to waste my time, since it's not easy & will take a while.

Back in 2009-2013 there used to be like 150-200k players online daily, the number has dropped to 25-40k. I think like 60-80% of older players quit the game already, that should tell us enough xD
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06-Aug-2020 18:30:56

Kehl

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Nyxiah:

"The black santa rate was confirmed at 1/2000, meaning that there (ROUGHLY) 7,500 black santa hats in game."

@Nyxiah, do you really think Black Santa Hats are that much more common at roughly 7.5k than scythes that have been confirmed with a 5k count?

Either way, Total Count doesn’t matter as much as controlled Active Count for prices. If there is enough strong demand for an item regardless of price and the vast majority of the supply is controlled by a few, the rare’s rates will always be exorbitantly higher.

There really could be an insanely high amount of Red Santa Hats in the game on Active accounts, but it doesn’t even matter because it’s already hoarded by the few active hoarders. Santa Hats also have had a much longer time span for investors to stock up over the years, which might explain why Santas are currently higher than other GE lower rares when we are pretty certain it’s one of the most common rares at release.

For instance in real life, we all know diamonds actually have a vast supply available, but the majority of these diamonds are held by a few functioning like an oligopoly.

The point I’m trying to make is we’re never going to know these numbers unless Jagex reveals. Regardless of amount, the market is still controlled by the hoarders to their liking for whichever rares they choose and set strong “buy walls” on. The price drop range on instant selling 10x scythes is much higher than 10x Santas.

06-Aug-2020 19:33:28 - Last edited on 06-Aug-2020 20:03:59 by Kehl

Raphtalia6
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@4p

Thanks for clarifying at the start i didnt get what you meant but now ive a grasp of what you mean. and what you discribe seems like a really good thing. do you think based on that its possible to calculate the amounts at this point of time?.
trusting certain pc lists or prices of items or websites that dont belong to jagex will get you into trouble notice: external websites and trades are your responsibility, dont get fooled!.

06-Aug-2020 23:38:31

4p
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4p

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@Raphtalia6

I think it's quite difficult to get an exact amount, but you can always get an estimate - which is what I've trying to say all along.

To make a bold claim such as "There were definitely X amount of X item at a certain time", or someone else who said "Scythe is 10x rarer than RSH" means those people would be agreeing to all sorts of different amounts of other Discontinued Items. But when you start to work it out, you see how accurate/inaccurate that number is based on many other aspects.

dafda1111111 asks a very valid question "Are there really more Black Santa Hats in the game than Scythes?"
Another question would be "Are there more Black Santa Hats in the game than Wreaths?"

We know how many Scythes there are (up to 5k) and we know how many Wreathes there are (up to 1k). If we say that BSH sits somewhere between Wreath and Scythe in terms of rarity, we can go back to my calculation:
Quick examples of possible amount on 30th December 2013 based on BSH numbers over 15 days:
1k BSH total = 7,500 RSH
2k BSH total = 13.3k RSH
3k BSH total = 20k RSH
4k BSH total = 26.6k RSH
5k BSH total = 33k RSH
6k BSH total = 40k RSH
7k BSH total = 46.6k RSH
8k BSH total = 53.3k RSH
9k BSH total = 60k RSH


I personally never claim to know the numbers, but I do take information available online to work out what is actually possible.

You do have to factor in losses over time, but this applies to all Discontinued Items and is really quite difficult to measure. You can say, however, that if fewer BSH were released into the game than Scythes then there were fewer than 33k Red Santas on 30th December 2019 - and after losses over the past 11 years, there will now technically be less than 33k active Red Santa Hats in the game.

This then directly challenges both claims I've been trying to address:
- "There were 100k+ Santas in 2009"
- "Scythe is 10x rarer than Red Santa Hat"

It's extremely unlikely that either of those claims are true based on what I keep saying :)

07-Aug-2020 08:01:03

4p
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Finance said :
It doesn't matter how many santa hats are on active accounts. It matters how many hats are in active circulation (held by people who are willing to sell them). Prices are set at the margin.


Correct, but we haven't been discussing the prices at all, we've been discussing the volume. :)

07-Aug-2020 21:32:21

Kehl

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@4p, my response was in regards to nyxiah’s post on the other discontinued forum thread that got hidden where she was wondering why scythe’s prices are cheaper than Santa’s.

@finance, sorry it wasn’t clear enough. Active circulation is what I was trying to imply when I mentioned “controlling the market to their liking” by stocking up over the years releasing only a few for active circulation in small calculated amounts similar to how diamonds are controlled. Hoarders that own the majority of the supply can control the amount of active circulation through pump and dumps and/or setting strong buy and sell walls.

08-Aug-2020 03:46:29

Sturm

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Been checking out the RuneScape wiki and there is a lot of disc items now, how come half of them are still split in the treasure hunter thread? wouldn't they be better suited in the disc thread?

Cth and fish masks for example come to mind

09-Aug-2020 20:06:21

Yo Semite
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Also posting this here:

CTH was obtained by presents won (IN PART) off SoF, but also from skilling/in-game activities. While it is arguably a SoF item, it is also arguably just as much a discontinued item as well. I personally believe should be pc'd on the Discontinued thread given it's holiday status, the fact it could be obtained apart from SoF, and its rising price tag.

Fish masks, however, were exclusively a SoF item, and not obtained via in-game activities as far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong). I believe fish mask is more appropriately a SoF item given that was the way it was obtained. Its low price would make the Discontinued thread even more cluttered than it already is, which would cause more issues than benefit seeing as anyone who wants to know its price can just quickly pc it with minimal funds/loss.

10-Aug-2020 00:08:11 - Last edited on 10-Aug-2020 00:08:59 by Yo Semite

Sturm

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Yo Semite said :
Also posting this here:

CTH was obtained by presents won (IN PART) off SoF, but also from skilling/in-game activities. While it is arguably a SoF item, it is also arguably just as much a discontinued item as well. I personally believe should be pc'd on the Discontinued thread given it's holiday status, the fact it could be obtained apart from SoF, and its rising price tag.

Fish masks, however, were exclusively a SoF item, and not obtained via in-game activities as far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong). I believe fish mask is more appropriately a SoF item given that was the way it was obtained. Its low price would make the Discontinued thread even more cluttered than it already is, which would cause more issues than benefit seeing as anyone who wants to know its price can just quickly pc it with minimal funds/loss.


i don't think it would add any clutter, the disc thread is basiclly santa hat price check at the moment with the odd mask and phat getting posted, would probably do it some good seeing other items being checked or updated.

the sof thread doesn't even get many fish mask or cth updates either, it's mostly just token stuff or whatever it is lol

imo if it's discontinued then it should probably be apart of the discontinued thread regardless of how it was obtained.

10-Aug-2020 01:39:27

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