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RichKngMidas

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I would love for these statistics to be done for H'ween masks, as well.

If there were 10k Santa’s dropped in 2002, can we agree that the same number of release is true for H'weens, which had the same manuel release method, and actually proceeded the Santa hat? And then, how many H'weens would have likely been added to the game?

Certainly, I think they would not have added 10k of each color, due to the drop being a manuel, labor intensive process, as pointed out by 4P, but probably did the same style/amount of drop to the Santa hat, but with equal H'ween creation per color.

So, maybe:
3k greens
3k blues
3k reds.

Any thoughts? Does that seem accurate? I'm known as Rich King Midas, and when you look at me, you'll see a king who knows a thing about his treasury. I never cared for women. I've never cared for wine. But when I count a large amount of money - ha ha - it's divine!

03-Jul-2020 22:33:29

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2023

Shn

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RichKngMidas said :
I would love for these statistics to be done for H'ween masks, as well.

If there were 10k Santa’s dropped in 2002, can we agree that the same number of release is true for H'weens, which had the same manuel release method, and actually proceeded the Santa hat? And then, how many H'weens would have likely been added to the game?

Certainly, I think they would not have added 10k of each color, due to the drop being a manuel, labor intensive process, as pointed out by 4P, but probably did the same style/amount of drop to the Santa hat, but with equal H'ween creation per color.

So, maybe:
3k greens
3k blues
3k reds.

Any thoughts? Does that seem accurate?

That seems accurate. H'weens might even be a little rarer because there were less players around in October 2002 than December 2002 (less members, but also less active players outside of Holiday season).

Green H'ween, which has always been the least expensive wearable rare, is actually quite a bit rarer than Santa hats (in theory).

The only reason why they might not be is because it's hard to assess what the 2003 AutoRune dupe brought into the game. Most of us associate the dupe with adding party hats and crackers, but surely many other rares were duped, too. The question really is how many of them were removed from the game.

This is an interesting graph that maybe could be used to help infer how many rares were added into the game. From the looks of it, probably not a lot of actual real impact to the market. Therefore, I think 3500 of each H'ween probably is reasonable.

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03-Jul-2020 22:43:37 - Last edited on 03-Jul-2020 22:49:39 by Shn

nyxiah

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@richkngmidas

I don't think you should take our discussion as facts. We were simply just discussing the possibilities.

There haven't really been concluded a number, what we know is it can be anything between 10-800k.

I would still like to hear the opinions of people who were there and witnessed the spawns, I think that would be nice - and to hear their opinions & views.

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03-Jul-2020 22:47:11 - Last edited on 03-Jul-2020 22:47:56 by nyxiah

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Shn

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Another thing to note, by the same logic that every drop was essentially the same (JMod logs in a few times throughout the day (4x times in October 2003 for the Scythe drop), drops a bunch of rares), Partyhats should be similar in rarity. The only reason they are not is that there were a lot less players in 2001 than 2002, and also there are 6 types of partyhats and 3 types of H'ween masks.

However, ALL H'ween masks in theory are much rarer than Santas (including green h'ween). Creator of RuneRares (no longer available). Been playing 15+ years.

03-Jul-2020 22:48:51

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2023

Shn

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nyxiah said :
@richkngmidas

I don't think you should take our discussion as facts. We were simply just discussing the possibilities.

There haven't really been concluded a number, what we know is it can be anything between 10-800k.

I would still like to hear the opinions of people who were there and witnessed the spawns, I think that would be nice - and to hear their opinions & views.

It would be really nice to just confirm what the process of the drops were. I feel pretty comfortable saying that the JMod had to log in and manually issue drop commands. The way I *think* this went down was the following:

1. Jmod logs in (probably Andrew Gower)
2. Goes to populated areas, types in "::drop" into chat which triggers a command
3. Message is issued saying "System Message: Happy Hallowe'en" or something like that (the message was literally "SYSTEM MESSAGE: HAPPY EASTER!" for Easter 2003). Items are spawned in the immediate vicinity of the Jmod (which was a 20x20 tile area, which means a max of 401x Santa Hats were created at one time).
4. Players pick up X % of the discontinued items

Would be great to get a Jmod to confirm this is actually how it went down though. All we really have is the news post 4p referenced showing the timetable for the Scythe drop in October 2003. We are just assuming that it was the same for Santa Hats and other drops. Creator of RuneRares (no longer available). Been playing 15+ years.

03-Jul-2020 22:53:23 - Last edited on 03-Jul-2020 22:54:15 by Shn

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Shn

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Here are a couple screenshots of the Bunny Ears drop in 2003. You can see the system message I was referencing. You can also see Bunny Ears are pretty sparsely in the area; not every single tile is populated. I can't confirm that these are real screenshots.

I think it's worth noting Nyxiah's point about Bunny Ears being tradeable and Santa Hats not; therefore maybe they dropped less of the former.

Bunny Ears:

System message:

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03-Jul-2020 22:59:50

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2007

4p

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I spoke with a friend recently who confirmed Scythes seemed to have a similar drop rate to Bunny Ears. Sorry it's choppy, had to cut out the log in/out spam lol:

I would have thought these would be lower-volume than previous Holiday Items because you could only pick up 1, and they are of course untradeable.

I know of one other person who might have been online when Santas were dropped, but she's not online at the minute unfortunately.

03-Jul-2020 23:15:21

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2021

Kiljutonkka

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All those events were world drops. A notification popped up in chat and wished happy halloween, merry Christmas or happy easter. Then drop started. Rares were literally everywhere on the ground in every world. In all other drops except easter 2003 and H'ween 2003 ppl could pick as many rares as they managed. Drop lasted maybe 3 minutes and all rares were on ground that time (maybe new rares were spawning all the time, can't remember correctly), then they disappeared. Basically you could picked full inv in that time. Jagex kept doing drops several times per day and many days in a row.. so I'm sure there were hundreds of thousands of each rares on ground during every event. Cant say about numbers how many were picked in each event but player base was huuuuge that time.

03-Jul-2020 23:22:17

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2016

I Lack Heart

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4p said :
Purple Phat increased 3.5x value, Santa increased 8x value in the same time period, even though there are hardly any phats in the game compared to Santas. Could this be related?
was not related, or kind of was related, those videos created movement on merchers to buy santas, people did also focus on green partyhat hoarding at that time and then blue h'ween.

if santa is as rare as you suggest, that makes black santa one of the rarest items in the game. 100k santas may have never been in the game, but this time people had hindsight of party hats to see how valuable they became. i did not play back then sadly so what ever i say of the time is just speculation looking at the price history of items and knowledge of collectors of early 04-06.

03-Jul-2020 23:41:39

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2007

4p

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I can't confirm the legitimacy, but the RSC Fandom page has some interesting screenshots. Of course, there isn't a screenshot of the Christmas Event.....

https://runescapeclassic.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Holiday_events

2001 Pumpkin:

2002 Easter:

2002 Halloween:

2003 Easter:

2003 Scythe:

Jagex also stopped dropping Holiday Items because of the sheer number of 'complaints' from people who missed out:
https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/christmas-drop

03-Jul-2020 23:56:06

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