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Tenebri
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le me said :

Anyway the trigger would be there so an alarm would sound at jagex so they could investigate a possible dupe, not to track whos doing the bad things. Thats the second part of the investigation after they patch whatever is wrong in their game.

i was thinking when i was looking into this dupe. is to if jagex to keep track as it would be very simple to see if there were dupes going on.
they have so much data on items amount of pets in game etc. knowing the amount of each discontinued item. would be an easy way to see if anything was to happen. it would ring alarm bells if there were x amount of yellow phats then next days x amount + 34. somethig iffy is going on that needs to be investigated
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16-Jun-2020 15:01:04

Hematoxylin
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Manip pc clans and rares hoarders who stand at w2 ge all day doing nothing are crying. This game doesnt need 25b worth of pixels thanks to you guys, look at osrs

May as well destroy the rares market like osrs and you all get a life, if you are that good in merching you are already a billionnaire irl

16-Jun-2020 15:31:13

Knowledege

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We don't know the exact data of how much GP or rares were duped, but this will cause a psychological affect and cause people to dump their rares to lessen the risk exposure. Some say only GP was duped but I believe they are somewhat biased since they hold rares which I do too. hard to say anything without data only Jagex can tell, but just go with the old saying don't put all your eggs in one basket. Spread your GP out have some in weapons, skilling supplies rares, tokens etc that is the best way to deal with this or don't react at all since at the end of the day it's just a game. Accumulation of wealth at one pole is at the same time accumulation of misery, agony of toil, slavery, ignorance, brutality, mental degradation, at the opposite pole - Karl Marx. Capitalism needs to be reformed around the world especially in the US.

16-Jun-2020 15:58:30

G0d vs D3vil
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I Lack Heart said :
le me said :
Nah brah they know the numbers of each item in game, they can just set database triggers if the count of certain items increase, although i dont really know what strain this would put in their database. Although i think they have like life graphs of how much gp is in game or whatever so idk if it would be that much of a performance issue... im just spitting stuff though, im not entirely sure
thats true but problem comes with items like crackers that can be pulled to 'create brand new item', thats why you see more of them duped and hats, not because they are super rare and expensive but because thats the way to bypass tracking.

bond prices go hand in hand with inflation and they have had steady price, which means there was not as heavy emphasis on duping gp compared to items, but im going to insert my foil hat and say thats what they wanted you to believe that its the gp being duped and are now selling duped rares on panic inflated prices till situation calms down. :D

in a serious thought, i think jagex would have made statement if they had taken actions to 'make sure the damages where minimum if any' to make themselves look good on the situation. they only stay silent when heavy damage has been caused with no reverse.

This could be easy prevent just would need recode items how it works e.g. blue party hat has id 1, lets just say there is 1000 blue party hats so they would add second id for e.g. 1(1000) and if the item gets duped there is 2 items wih same id of item and which number of phat of total if there 2 same ones when u interact with then by clicking drop or puting to trade or it just disapers from ur inventory same goes from crackers. Its just big question how hard is to code like this because i assume it would take so much time but it would protect whole game economy for rest of the games future besides gp dupes which one would need more gp sinks i guess.

16-Jun-2020 16:48:07

Richie B5
Nov Member 2011

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We should all keep in mind that it may not be straightforward to implement item count alerts in Runescript. It might be. But it might not. External integration with other programming languages might also not be easy to do. Though they do have the ability to track volume changes as shown by the Grand Exchange tracker. This may not extend to P2P trades though.

I did not think we would still be having issues like this in game but it appears these things will continue to crop up from time to time. I do remember noticing trouble logging in several times a few weeks ago, possibly caused by the dupers. It will be interesting to hear Jagex's response to the issue.

Disclaimer: Not a programmer. Just a little experience with C++ in college. 15 Year RS veteran - stock trader for fun - intellectual - salesman

16-Jun-2020 16:58:58

Habitat
Dec Member 2019

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Richie B5 said :
We should all keep in mind that it may not be straightforward to implement item count alerts in Runescript. It might be. But it might not. External integration with other programming languages might also not be easy to do. Though they do have the ability to track volume changes as shown by the Grand Exchange tracker. This may not extend to P2P trades though.

I did not think we would still be having issues like this in game but it appears these things will continue to crop up from time to time. I do remember noticing trouble logging in several times a few weeks ago, possibly caused by the dupers. It will be interesting to hear Jagex's response to the issue.

Disclaimer: Not a programmer. Just a little experience with C++ in college.

I'm a full time programmer and it would be fairly easy to implement item count triggers in database queries. Party hats are the only discontinued that can be "created" - they can alter db tables to reject new items being added (for cracker, masks, santa, etc.) When a cracker gets pulled, they could easily add a check to verify the item is actually a cracker.. before "creating" a new party hat.

I would think they have this in place ever since the pink party hat situation, which is why i'm skeptical about any rares being duped. Gold/shards.. are constantly "created" on the fly, which seems much more likely to have potential exploits.

Everything else makes sense.. large amounts of cash buying up rares to hold the duped gold/shards would easily cause 100% ge price increases.

16-Jun-2020 17:17:17 - Last edited on 16-Jun-2020 17:49:42 by Habitat

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