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Sep

2008

Samid

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We should all be skeptical of things like this. Having watched the original video, I think it's worth noting that:

1. The video is hosted by someone with a vested interest in making you believe it's true. Has it been replicated or witnessed in-game by an impartial third party?

2. The video is heavily spliced, including several points which should be continuous cuts (such as logging out and in). It's trivial to remove content or splice content out-of-order to make it look like something different is happening. Could that have happened here?

3. There are several disadvantages to revealing all this information to the public. What advantage does it give them?

That doesn't mean it's fake, or that it's real. It means you should be asking questions and not believing everything you're told.

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16-Jun-2020 10:52:33 - Last edited on 16-Jun-2020 10:54:52 by Samid

Sep

2007

Fungus Fubar

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Samid said :
We should all be skeptical of things like this. Having watched the original video, I think it's worth noting that:

1. The video is hosted by someone with a vested interest in making you believe it's true. Has it been replicated or witnessed in-game by an impartial third party?

2. The video is heavily spliced, including several points which should be continuous cuts (such as logging out and in). It's trivial to remove content or splice content out-of-order to make it look like something different is happening. Could that have happened here?

3. There are several disadvantages to revealing all this information to the public. What advantage does it give them?

That doesn't mean it's fake, or that it's real. It means you should be asking questions and not believing everything you're told. SirPugger is a known youtuber making content about the darker side of Runescape, and exposing whats happening behind the scenes. He has as any journalist, built up portfolio of informants and connections. He deliberate show the video after the dupe was patched, thus sitting on the info for some time.

Of course not all sources are at the same reliable level.

16-Jun-2020 11:04:25

Aug

2012

le me

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nyxiah said :
le me said :
Thought people knew about this already, the video has been out for like 2 weeks now, anyway, they probably only duped gp because that's easier to sweep under the rug, or atleast should be. I'd say it would be kinda dumb if jagex doesn't have triggers for when any discontinued item number increases in number

They duped rares too, so nothing is safe. They knew they would destroy the economy if they only duped GP so they started duping items. No one knows for sure how many items, but I saw Santas, yellow phats, crackers, hweens and xmas scythes. Saw over 50 santas so could easily be a lot more for each item.

I mean its easier to mask gp duping or item duping as normal behavior... when it comes to discontinued item duping though, jagex should be able to easily implement triggers when the amount of those items in game increases, so the dupers would risk getting caught more easily if they duped a discontinued item...

16-Jun-2020 11:09:18

nyxiah

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Yes but I doubt Jagex has implemented any triggers, if the guys could duplicate that many rares and get away with it- obviously proves that Jagex isn't paying enough attention. The only reason why they got caught was because of the obvious and huge RWT.

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16-Jun-2020 11:18:44

May

2016

I Lack Heart

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le me said :
nyxiah said :
le me said :
Thought people knew about this already, the video has been out for like 2 weeks now, anyway, they probably only duped gp because that's easier to sweep under the rug, or atleast should be. I'd say it would be kinda dumb if jagex doesn't have triggers for when any discontinued item number increases in number

They duped rares too, so nothing is safe. They knew they would destroy the economy if they only duped GP so they started duping items. No one knows for sure how many items, but I saw Santas, yellow phats, crackers, hweens and xmas scythes. Saw over 50 santas so could easily be a lot more for each item.

I mean its easier to mask gp duping or item duping as normal behavior... when it comes to discontinued item duping though, jagex should be able to easily implement triggers when the amount of those items in game increases, so the dupers would risk getting caught more easily if they duped a discontinued item...
this is in ideal world where they know something is being duped, they didnt know the reason for server crashes and caught on only in the very end which is mind boggling considering what happened on osrs. 'world are crashing, now on rs3, whats going on?'

16-Jun-2020 11:21:31

Sep

2008

Samid

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Fungus Fubar said :
SirPugger is a known youtuber making content about the darker side of Runescape, and exposing whats happening behind the scenes.
...
Of course not all sources are at the same reliable level.

I should clarify. I'm referring to the original source SirPuggers linked to in his report, not SirPuggers' report itself.

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16-Jun-2020 11:21:58

Aug

2012

le me

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I Lack Heart said :
le me said :
nyxiah said :
le me said :
Thought people knew about this already, the video has been out for like 2 weeks now, anyway, they probably only duped gp because that's easier to sweep under the rug, or atleast should be. I'd say it would be kinda dumb if jagex doesn't have triggers for when any discontinued item number increases in number

They duped rares too, so nothing is safe. They knew they would destroy the economy if they only duped GP so they started duping items. No one knows for sure how many items, but I saw Santas, yellow phats, crackers, hweens and xmas scythes. Saw over 50 santas so could easily be a lot more for each item.

I mean its easier to mask gp duping or item duping as normal behavior... when it comes to discontinued item duping though, jagex should be able to easily implement triggers when the amount of those items in game increases, so the dupers would risk getting caught more easily if they duped a discontinued item...
this is in ideal world where they know something is being duped, they didnt know the reason for server crashes and caught on only in the very end which is mind boggling considering what happened on osrs. 'world are crashing, now on rs3, whats going on?'

Nah brah they know the numbers of each item in game, they can just set database triggers if the count of certain items increase, although i dont really know what strain this would put in their database. Although i think they have like life graphs of how much gp is in game or whatever so idk if it would be that much of a performance issue... im just spitting stuff though, im not entirely sure

16-Jun-2020 11:30:51

May

2016

I Lack Heart

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le me said :
Nah brah they know the numbers of each item in game, they can just set database triggers if the count of certain items increase, although i dont really know what strain this would put in their database. Although i think they have like life graphs of how much gp is in game or whatever so idk if it would be that much of a performance issue... im just spitting stuff though, im not entirely sure
thats true but problem comes with items like crackers that can be pulled to 'create brand new item', thats why you see more of them duped and hats, not because they are super rare and expensive but because thats the way to bypass tracking.

bond prices go hand in hand with inflation and they have had steady price, which means there was not as heavy emphasis on duping gp compared to items, but im going to insert my foil hat and say thats what they wanted you to believe that its the gp being duped and are now selling duped rares on panic inflated prices till situation calms down.

in a serious thought, i think jagex would have made statement if they had taken actions to 'make sure the damages where minimum if any' to make themselves look good on the situation. they only stay silent when heavy damage has been caused with no reverse.

16-Jun-2020 12:09:45

Sep

2023

H Rassy

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Stop trying to stir panic lol. Jagex keeps track of number of rares,they have for a long time.
And crackers can not rise the number of rares because its zero sum. minus 1 cracker plus 1 partyhat.
And even if rares where duped (which is extremely unlikely by all accounts) then they would sit on the cheaters accounts and be destroyed. They have not entered the market,the price action of recent weeks does prove this.

It is kinda weird though that bonds didnt increase in price i do agree with that.
I guess this signals that rwit doesnt deal with bonds at all.
Number of Bonds is probably also tracked by jagex,its important for them as thats how they make money. I dont think bonds have been duped either.

16-Jun-2020 12:13:13 - Last edited on 16-Jun-2020 12:16:46 by H Rassy

May

2016

I Lack Heart

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H Rassy said :
Stop trying to stir panic lol. Jagex keeps track of number of rares,they have for a long time.
And crackers can not rise the number of rares because its zero sum. minus 1 cracker plus 1 partyhat.
And even if rares where duped (which is extremely unlikely by all accounts) then they would sit on the cheaters accounts and be destroyed. They have not entered the market,the price action of recent weeks does prove this.
Problem with what you said comes in code, you pull duped cracker with someone you end up with brand new item that entered the game 'legit'. Thats not zero sum, thats one new hat for every cracker. Prices of partyhats has been steady as ever but lower rares have shot up, thats just not how inflation works by picking and choosing.

16-Jun-2020 12:20:25

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