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wetones

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Mod Matthe said :
wetones said :
Mod Matthe said :
As previously mentioned, nearly 3 years ago, this is not something we are planning to do. It is something we raise in our "wish list" discussions and look at for feasibility quite often but is significantly more difficult to achieve than some players seem to feel it should be. It is certainly not just a case of mapping down some extra forest between locations to make it bigger :)

so it's possible

Do you guys not like being games developers or something?
Isn't half the reason you do your job because it's challenging?

Take on the challenge and
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It depends what you mean possible - almost anything is possible in the development of a game but it has implications in the decisions you make. Such a project would be beyond huge - several times bigger than Elf City and NXT combined. That is just not a feasible project, in time, the number of devs that would ahve to be involved, or the impact it would make to current game content/development.

Imagine how far along it would be if you guys started expanding 3 years ago.
If you don't start a project it'll never be done.
sounds to me like it's something you guys want to do but are dismissing it as too difficult or too big of a task.
if 80+ pages of community chatter over 3 years asking for this wont get you guys to start, i fear nothing will
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26-Jan-2017 11:21:00

Mod Matthe

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wetones said :


Imagine how far along it would be if you guys started expanding 3 years ago.
If you don't start a project it'll never be done.
sounds to me like it's something you guys want to do but are dismissing it as too difficult or too big of a task.
if 80+ pages of community chatter over 3 years asking for this wont get you guys to start, i fear nothing will

And you would not have had a release in the last 3 years and we would *still* be working on it. It is not feasible. There are other things we continue to look at, but "simply" expanding the current mapped world is not possible. Mod MattHe | Former Community Manager, now in Events & occasional Lore Monkey

26-Jan-2017 13:52:14

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Mod Matthe said :
wetones said :


Imagine how far along it would be if you guys started expanding 3 years ago.
If you don't start a project it'll never be done.
sounds to me like it's something you guys want to do but are dismissing it as too difficult or too big of a task.
if 80+ pages of community chatter over 3 years asking for this wont get you guys to start, i fear nothing will

And you would not have had a release in the last 3 years and we would *still* be working on it. It is not feasible. There are other things we continue to look at, but "simply" expanding the current mapped world is not possible.

I think a scale up would be fantastic, because it would give us a reason to have mounts, but yea, the dev time would be ridiculous.

26-Jan-2017 19:50:47 - Last edited on 26-Jan-2017 19:51:40 by Summerleaf

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IMP Sparta said :
indeed you guys rather do crap like invention, eoc and bank bidding

Yeah, screw Jagex for adding complex updates that actually add depth and interesting gameplay rather than spending years of dev time arbitrarily making the map bigger even though we have so many thousand teleport options at this point you never have to walk more than 15 seconds from one to get somewhere, so the additional space would be purely cosmetic!

I do stand though that they should try to make new areas bigger so we have more space to work with , like how OSRS added Zeah, this MASSIVE map area. Sure it was hollow at first, but they've done a good job filling it with new content. As is you've had to pack new content into relatively small amounts of map space, like the guthix shrine. "Where do we still have space in the map to jam this thing? Uhhh, there's still a bit south of Piscatoris."

Summerleaf said :

I think a scale up would be fantastic, because it would give us a reason to have mounts, but yea, the dev time would be ridiculous.

What are you talking about? We already have mounts. They're beautiful, majestic creatures, now in a variety of colors. Headcanon Haven, where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
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27-Jan-2017 04:34:46 - Last edited on 27-Jan-2017 04:37:03 by Lego Miester

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Mod Matthe said :
wetones said :


Imagine how far along it would be if you guys started expanding 3 years ago.
If you don't start a project it'll never be done.
sounds to me like it's something you guys want to do but are dismissing it as too difficult or too big of a task.
if 80+ pages of community chatter over 3 years asking for this wont get you guys to start, i fear nothing will

And you would not have had a release in the last 3 years and we would *still* be working on it. It is not feasible. There are other things we continue to look at, but "simply" expanding the current mapped world is not possible.

I fully understand that what this forum thread suggests is incredibly hard to do and that it would be an absolutely massive project. Sure it isn't feasible at the moment, it hasn't been feasible for 3 years, but one day it might be.

I for one will cling onto that foolish optimistic hope for as long as I can. That is what people do for stuff they are passionate about and that they care about :) Arguably, that is the underlying principle as to why Runescape has been around for 15+ years.

27-Jan-2017 05:16:53 - Last edited on 27-Jan-2017 05:17:20 by Lurgal

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Lurgal said :
I fully understand that what this forum thread suggests is incredibly hard to do and that it would be an absolutely massive project. Sure it isn't feasible at the moment, it hasn't been feasible for 3 years, but one day it might be.

I for one will cling onto that foolish optimistic hope for as long as I can. That is what people do for stuff they are passionate about and that they care about :) Arguably, that is the underlying principle as to why Runescape has been around for 15+ years.
I agree wholeheartedly with most of this, and also try to remain foolishly optimistic (or should that be 'foolishly try to remain optimistic' ), but there is one point I'd like to pick up on:

Sure it isn't feasible at the moment, ... , but one day it might be .

From Mod Matthe's posts, it sound like resizing the map is something Jagex would like to do (which is why it keeps coming up in their 'wish-list' discussions), but cannot because the huge scale of the project makes it uneconomical. So the limitation here isn't so much a technical one, but a financial one.

So my question is, what are Jagex actively doing to improve the project's feasibility, so that one day it can be achieved? Because wishful thinking just isn't going to cut it. –= MEGA Construction Rework =–

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27-Jan-2017 15:01:14

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Mod Matthe said :
wetones said :


Imagine how far along it would be if you guys started expanding 3 years ago.
If you don't start a project it'll never be done.
sounds to me like it's something you guys want to do but are dismissing it as too difficult or too big of a task.
if 80+ pages of community chatter over 3 years asking for this wont get you guys to start, i fear nothing will

And you would not have had a release in the last 3 years and we would *still* be working on it. It is not feasible. There are other things we continue to look at, but "simply" expanding the current mapped world is not possible.
Of course it is feasible, it just depends on how you would dedicate resources to it. You could for example take small portions of the game and upscale them bit by bit, taking one area at a time. Even if it takes like a month to upscale a single location, at least that part has been finished. You could make a lower priority side project of it, even if it takes like 5 years to complete at a slow rate, it would eventually be finished. All I'm saying is that you don't have to dedicate a lot of resources to it and only work on that one project.

27-Jan-2017 16:44:02 - Last edited on 27-Jan-2017 16:44:10 by Recursion93

Lurgal
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Jon Stryder said :
Lurgal said :
Some Stuff...
I agree wholeheartedly with most of this, and also try to remain foolishly optimistic (or should that be 'foolishly try to remain optimistic' ), but there is one point I'd like to pick up on:

Sure it isn't feasible at the moment, ... , but one day it might be .

From Mod Matthe's posts, it sound like resizing the map is something Jagex would like to do (which is why it keeps coming up in their 'wish-list' discussions), but cannot because the huge scale of the project makes it uneconomical. So the limitation here isn't so much a technical one, but a financial one.

So my question is, what are Jagex actively doing to improve the project's feasibility, so that one day it can be achieved? Because wishful thinking just isn't going to cut it.

I do love reading every post you make, it is like you sprinkle gold over the forums everytime you visit them :) I really hope Mod Matthe answers your question.

27-Jan-2017 18:40:20

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I dont think anybody is wanting to dismiss this years big expansions. But even before finding this thread I was beginning to think, "Wow, this continent, if you can call it that, is absolutely tiny."
It actually appears to be a small representation of what it wants to be.

Nothing has to 'move' in a metaphorical sens, but everything should be super sized. And with the increased space there would be more room for odd/side quests. Larger towns, Castles, Vastly larger mountains, country-side, ect.

The sad thing is, yea the new engines and view distance is insight that giving players a realism that we maybe didn't want to see as a whole. Quick travel always being at hand and seeming endless sprinting are now beginning to be 'improvements' that players are seeing the world in a much a smaller way, and it hurts the image in some ways.

I feel bad for the new Menaphos being a, "plethora, of quests, rewards, and other treats as you go." But if it really is that large, does it fit to scale with the rest of the game? Or is it 'seemingly large'? Large the game use to be? I dont mean to bash this, I'm pretty exited myself.

In laymen terms. Nobody likes the idea that NPC Man's neighbor is an hoard of goblins that hasn't completely demolished him for years.
Seriously, Falador houses a god, Armadyl's ... nest? appears to be 1/4th the size of the city and if he were to have a bowl movement with just enough wind, the city would be spending the rest of their life cleaning it up, and their tiny water source would be contaminated for eternity.

"Its just a game" No its an MMO, and its definantly made its mark in history especially as a browser, but much of the game could be just as improved supersizing the world as any of the latest large scale updates. Adding plenty of quest update/improvements, socialization, ect.

But I also get this... would be the update that likely kills Java. Fight for
Ironman
&
Treasure Hunter
! It will save staff develpment time & future issues! To work on real decent content.

28-Jan-2017 05:43:33

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