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pOp O
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UrekMazino said :

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In the end, it doesn't really matter because players will make the choice whether they want the extra dps, maybe they don't care about money, maybe they want to beat records. This is why, IMO , it is a good thing that it's cost is absurdly high, and so should the other high level familiar ideas.

But if you can't justify the cost, there are 3 options:

1) Don't be chugging summ flasks
2) Use a lower tier titan
3) Keep the scrolls in inventory and only spam summ flask + spec during DPS check phases.
Also you check your teammates gear and if you are using BIS and they are not then its simple... No more inviting them.
1. Not chugging sum flasks forces you onto caps on solak and makes kills take longer
2.again people look at you and quickly add to ignore list
3. For solak you can make the entire thing dps check, also that wastes potential dps Posts: urn bag! , hits-plats fix

30-Jun-2019 13:04:53

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UrekMazino said :
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so currently you can stack upto 2 hours with a legendary pet, so i think 2 hours is a good time to stack all creatures
so the sack i was thinking would force you to have 5 deferring familiars, some have passives that can be activated from the sack others have to be summoned to spec and you can pick which to summon when
I see, will all passives be on when in the sack? Because I can see that becoming quite broken.

Having titan or bob out, with nihil accuracy passive, bunyip healing passive, and if you add the familiar ideas in this thread, nihil crit passive, crit damage increase passive. Or equilibrium passive, AoE fire damage passive, etc.
pOp O said :
yah... but boy is it hard to bladed dive when your mate decides to troll with a mammoth....
fix that i might be ok with it
Yea, I put in the main post that the familiar should be in baby form or use a smaller model that fits in 2x2 area just like titan. Dragons aren't as tall as mammoths so I think it'll be ok if its size is 2x2.
Well if you put the bob in the sack it cant hold the items anymore then you can swap into offensive mid kill once your yak is empty
For the offense passives i forgot that they are quite op for some things so it could be that, passive is expressed at 1%in bag and 5% out of bag and the fire one gives 2.5.k hp boost down to to 500 in pouch
The pouch is under the familiar interface and has buff slots in there Posts: urn bag! , hits-plats fix

30-Jun-2019 13:14:23

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UrekMazino said :
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agility- i was thinking of making it like a little boost now and then ( so that people dont just spam it though agility course)
cooking- i was thinking on making this work for all tiers of food (cook a spec-->cook shark -->great white shark) would be nice for irons but yah a little niche and yah would work for arc (i would say a little op tho)
div- with adren i meant summoning points that was my bad, and prism of dowsing does not force the springs to be 5*5 only makes them like 1 or 2 squares closer
Agi: Ah ok, gotcha

Cook: For arc, maybe make it only work for 1 of the ingredient? Tune to the ingredient of choice before using the spec?

Div: Downsing also increases the chance of enriched memories. So, I think the hp damage needs to be low enough for EEE to heal back or make its effect greater otherwise I feel that it won't be used much, if at all.
Cooking: now that i think about it, we have been able to summon creatures of the mainland so for cooking maybe if its one of arc animals that is the creature i can see that
Div: eee heal sounds good to me Posts: urn bag! , hits-plats fix

30-Jun-2019 15:22:02

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UrekMazino said :
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i meant a forced stun where your freedom and anticipate are put on cooldown (like rax entangle attack where you have to spam the floor to be free)
then a pker can re stun you while you hope and pray for freedom to come back
Ok, so maybe like a 3s stun? I feel that any longer would just be annoying as the mage will just walk away from you, making each trip not much faster than just walking. Plus the downside of not having 20 extra essence. (Unless you mean this spec should be added to the higher tier abby bob?)
pOp O said :
right so for the smithing one, you know how green beam in telos works? the more you stay in it the more it takes from your prayer? yah basically that
if you have the familiar with you it will drain summoning points and preserve heat
(like spirit shields with prayer and hp)
Ooh ok, so you mean like it keeps the heat at same level and each time it does that, summ points are drained?
I forgot about the rc bob yah... Ok, i was just trying to think about pkers 2 second stun is long enough
I would lock it behind big boy quest or some sort of lock
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30-Jun-2019 15:29:24

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Just tossing it out there...

Has anyone thought of a Construction fam?
(Aside from B.o.B.s..)

P.s. Cog Dragon was an Ode to Arcanists...
I still believe that some and/or most, might be applicable to RS3 & high level Summoning?
(I've been hoping for some kind of cross-over.)

30-Jun-2019 16:25:00

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ChicNbiskits said :
Just tossing it out there...

Has anyone thought of a Construction fam?
(Aside from B.o.B.s..)

P.s. Cog Dragon was an Ode to Arcanists...
I still believe that some and/or most, might be applicable to RS3 & high level Summoning?
(I've been hoping for some kind of cross-over.)
Omg
Clumsy bull-when you build something with the bull around he will break it
As you dont get xp for deconstruction this would be great
(achievement - bull in china shop - use bull on ladder) Posts: urn bag! , hits-plats fix

30-Jun-2019 16:33:12 - Last edited on 30-Jun-2019 16:35:41 by pOp O

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pOp O said :
ChicNbiskits said :
Just tossing it out there...

Has anyone thought of a Construction fam?
(Aside from B.o.B.s..)

P.s. Cog Dragon was an Ode to Arcanists...
I still believe that some and/or most, might be applicable to RS3 & high level Summoning?
(I've been hoping for some kind of cross-over.)
Omg
Clumsy bull-when you build something with the bull around he will break it
As you dont get xp for deconstruction this would be great
(achievement - bull in china shop - use bull on ladder) -
Awesome idea ...I despise destroying in build mode.
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30-Jun-2019 18:09:48 - Last edited on 30-Jun-2019 18:28:05 by ChicNbiskits

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And...
Just a thought.

Who says that fam's have to be 'physical' beings?
They could be akin to 'diamonizomai' and imbue their Summoner ..through posession..
with differing attributes.

I.e. "Soul Eater Sword."

30-Jun-2019 18:11:20 - Last edited on 30-Jun-2019 18:22:45 by ChicNbiskits

UrekMazino
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pOp O said :
BIS is expensive, and i would pay 2m extra for 50%extra damage from fami just saying that all these things are adding up to make pvm alot less profit.
I don't think bosses are designed around absolute BiS, I was able to beat Solak duo with just T88 armour when t90 was BiS, also didn't use steel titan switch, flanking, lunging, 4taa and whatnot. Bosses can definitely be killed and are designed to be killed with lower tier gear, just less efficiently so.

The God book there you are just backing my point that expensive gear just means people will adapt and choose which gear to use to best suit their needs. Exactly the same for this elder rune titan, its really expensive, its not meant to be used everywhere like steel titan currently is. You are meant to choose whether its worth it or not. I mean, nihils exists, and their scrolls are 7-8k each, which is more expensive than the proposed elder rune titan scrolls at 4.6k. Plus their effect is weaker. No one can justify using it and yet they exist in the game.
pOp O said :
Also you check your teammates gear and if you are using BIS and they are not then its simple... No more inviting them.
1. Not chugging sum flasks forces you onto caps on solak and makes kills take longer
2.again people look at you and quickly add to ignore list
3. For solak you can make the entire thing dps check, also that wastes potential dps
1) The higher tier titan will deal significantly more damage, and if current steel titans can already do the job well with chugging summ flasks, then the elder rune titan can do it too while needing to chug fewer flasks.

2) Really reinforcing the elitist pvmer stereotype with this one.

3) So this again backs up my point that you have a choice to make. You want more DPS then pay up, not willing to pay means less dps. The difference won't be than a minute faster kill time, but if its worth it, then do it. °l||l° Modest Skillers T7 Citadel | Skilling clan recruiting players. °l||l°
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01-Jul-2019 14:47:50

UrekMazino
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pOp O said :
Well if you put the bob in the sack it cant hold the items anymore then you can swap into offensive mid kill once your yak is empty
For the offense passives i forgot that they are quite op for some things so it could be that, passive is expressed at 1%in bag and 5% out of bag and the fire one gives 2.5.k hp boost down to to 500 in pouch
The pouch is under the familiar interface and has buff slots in there
That would complicate things since you can store 5 familiars in the sack. With the number of permutations available, and we also know how thorough of a job the QA testers do, there will be bound to be instances where the balancing will be flawed and players will find a secret OP combination.

I think it would just make things easier if you could just swap at any time and only get the benefits from the currently summoned familiar. Could make BoBs keep the food/items while in sack too.
pOp O said :
Cooking: now that i think about it, we have been able to summon creatures of the mainland so for cooking maybe if its one of arc animals that is the creature i can see that
Div: eee heal sounds good to me
Cook: I'm not sure what you mean about arc animals

Div: So we can nerf the damage down to 40% over 5 mins, which means 0.8% hp per 6 seconds, then add the 0.1% hp per 6s natural regen to get 0.9% hp per 6s damage while effect is active.
pOp O said :
I forgot about the rc bob yah... Ok, i was just trying to think about pkers 2 second stun is long enough
I would lock it behind big boy quest or some sort of lock
And yes for smithing
RC one doesn't seem op enough to need it to be locked behind quests or anything since you are still losing out on 20 essences per run. Might be slower too as you can only carry I think 80 essences without BoB. °l||l° Modest Skillers T7 Citadel | Skilling clan recruiting players. °l||l°
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