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Dilbert2001
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Player:
You're Jas, an elder god. Your power is unrivalled. Why won't you deal with this, to you, relatively insignificant threat?

Voice of Jas:
The dragonkin is defended. He is shielded by the toxic substance.


Jas can't deal with Kerapac's Lab because of the shadow anima, but the World Guardian can because of Gutihx. Cystal clear!

Elder Gods can't go to Erebus, except perhaps Mah if she was corrupted and obtained the similar protection as the World Guardian. Zaros is taking Mah's corrupted Core to protect him maybe because Mah's Core has similar effect as Guthix blessing on the World Guardian.

08-Jun-2021 03:05:08

God Drakan

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Crystal clear is that you lack logic and basic understanding. Jas simply couldnt bother to use the Codex to create a shield of her own against Kerapacs shield. The Elder Gods are both more powerful than Guthix and more skilled with the elder artifacts. If Jas wanted, she could have crated a shadow anima shield for herself, just like Guthix did with us. We know too little of Erebus to make such false to date assumptions that Elder Gods cant enter Erebus. We, like Guthix and all other anima entities are created from Elder Gods anima. Therefore, whatever we are able to do, so can the Elder Gods. We dont have special abilities the Elders cant reproduce, they simply dont have to bother, especially when the World Guardian is tasked with dealing with such things. Its the job of the guardian to deal with small things, not the chief commanders.

08-Jun-2021 10:10:30

Androme

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Hasn't Zaros been funneling "Zarosian" souls into Erebus through Orcus? I remember reading something about this, somewhere. Pretty damn sinister and outright evil, considering the nature of Erebus as has been revealed now.

08-Jun-2021 10:21:05

Xalha
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Dilbert2001 said :


If you read Zaros's lines in Battle of Monolith when rejecting Azzanadra's request to follow him, he said (or at least he believed) Mah's Core and Saradomin's Crown are what will be protecting him in his journey to Erebus.

Now you're just making stuff up. He doesn't say anything even remotely like that to Azzanadra. Doesn't mention Mah's Core at all. The only time Mah's Core is even remotely mentioned is in his conversation with Seren, which isn't while discussing the protection of shadow anima. She's talking about his hunger for power.

Seren:
Does your greed know no bounds? Our mother's core - the Crown - and now the Codex? Will that be enough? Will it finally sate your quest for power?
Zaros:
My quest is none of your concern. Go back to your garden. You know as well as I what Bik will think of it. At least I will not be here to see you regret it.


If you then look at Zaros' conversation with Azzanadra, it's clear the shadow anima is what's protecting him, not Mah's Core.

Zaros:
Yes. My destination. What I seek cannot be found in this universe, and so I go in search of another. I have the apparatus I require - the material to shield myself, a tool to guide me in that place, and an offering for those who rule there. All that remains is to use the knowledge I have gleamed to open the way.

The material to shield himself is the canister of shadow anima he took from Raksha's chamber. Note "material". The tool is the Crown Archival. If anything there is Mah's Core, it's the offering. It wouldn't make any sense if the offering was the canister of shadow anima, because their entire dimension is made of it. Why would Zaros offer something that is as common as regular anima in ours? That's like offering a canister of regular anima to Jas.

08-Jun-2021 15:55:51 - Last edited on 08-Jun-2021 15:57:41 by Xalha

Dilbert2001
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God Drakan said :
Crystal clear is that you lack logic and basic understanding. Jas simply couldnt bother to use the Codex to create a shield of her own against Kerapacs shield. The Elder Gods are both more powerful than Guthix and more skilled with the elder artifacts. If Jas wanted, she could have crated a shadow anima shield for herself, just like Guthix did with us. We know too little of Erebus to make such false to date assumptions that Elder Gods cant enter Erebus. We, like Guthix and all other anima entities are created from Elder Gods anima. Therefore, whatever we are able to do, so can the Elder Gods. We dont have special abilities the Elders cant reproduce, they simply dont have to bother, especially when the World Guardian is tasked with dealing with such things. Its the job of the guardian to deal with small things, not the chief commanders.

Crystal clear you didn't follow the RS3 lore. The Elder Gods had abandoned the Codex in the 1st age. They don't control it anymore.

Being more powerful than Guthix doesn't mean the Elder Gods can do everythng Guthix can. Likewise, it is the same reason Guthix's Memories say that's point he created the World Guardian to do things even gods like himself can't.

08-Jun-2021 17:19:36

Dilbert2001
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@Xalha

Please read the dialogues of Part 1 of 4 of the Battle of the Monolith:

"Azzanadra:
...Erebus.
Zaros:
Yes. My destination. What I seek cannot be found in this universe, and so I go in search of another. I have the apparatus I require - the material to shield myself, a tool to guide me in that place, and an offering for those who rule there. All that remains is to use the knowledge I have gleamed to open the way.
Azzanadra:
Let me go with you.
Zaros:
No. It would kill you."


A tool to guide Zaros in Erebus is definitely Saradomin's Crown - the Locator. The material to shield Zaros himself is more than likely Mah's Core. Now the question is what is the "offering for those who rule Erebus".

Regardless what you think about Mah's Core. Zaros clearly mentioned to go to Erebus one must has certain material to shield himself.

08-Jun-2021 17:25:51

Xalha
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Dilbert2001 said :
@Xalha

Please read the dialogues of Part 1 of 4 of the Battle of the Monolith:

"Azzanadra:
...Erebus.
Zaros:
Yes. My destination. What I seek cannot be found in this universe, and so I go in search of another. I have the apparatus I require - the material to shield myself, a tool to guide me in that place, and an offering for those who rule there. All that remains is to use the knowledge I have gleamed to open the way.
Azzanadra:
Let me go with you.
Zaros:
No. It would kill you."


A tool to guide Zaros in Erebus is definitely Saradomin's Crown - the Locator. The material to shield Zaros himself is more than likely Mah's Core. Now the question is what is the "offering for those who rule Erebus".

Regardless what you think about Mah's Core. Zaros clearly mentioned to go to Erebus one must has certain material to shield himself.

As I pointed out to you in my comment which you clearly didn't read, the tool is Saradomin's Crown, also known as the Crown Archival, also known as the Locator.

The material is not Mah's Core. I'd advise you to play the Raksha, the Shadow Colossus miniquest. Zaros takes an entire canister of shadow anima from Raksha's chamber which is what he's using. That is the material to protect himself.

If you're going to make statements like this here, please at least show me enough respect to read my replies to you.

08-Jun-2021 17:28:59

Dilbert2001
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Zaros clearly pointed to Azzanadra he would need 3 things to go to Erebus. The Locator guide him but that's just 1 of the 3 things. He will need another item to protect him and another one to offer to the ruler of where he is going to.

There is also no saying how Zaros can use the shadow anima to protect himself. If he could do that he would not have to wait until the World Guardian confronted with Raksha first.

08-Jun-2021 17:54:57

Xalha
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Dilbert2001 said :
Zaros clearly pointed to Azzanadra he would need 3 things to go to Erebus. The Locator guide him but that's just 1 of the 3 things. He will need another item to protect him and another one to offer to the ruler of where he is going to.

There is also no saying how Zaros can use the shadow anima to protect himself. If he could do that he would not have to wait until the World Guardian confronted with Raksha first.

He takes the shadow anima before the World Guardian began fighting Raksha (canonically the World Guardian deals with Raksha immediately afterward) so I’d imagine that’s why. Based on the dialogue with Varanus he also seems to not really care about Raksha and is confident the World Guardian will deal with him, so it makes sense why he didn’t deal with Raksha. He just wanted the shadow anima.

There’s no evidence as to the “material” being Mah’s Core, yet there is evidence supporting shadow anima being the protection (which is why the World Guardian can enter Raksha’s chamber). Zaros can also enter, but clearly can’t enter Erebus without it, so it’s clear the concentration within Erebus is higher than whatever small amount of shadow anima Zaros has naturally.

If the necessary material was simply Mah’s Core Zaros would have immediately seized the Crown after Children of Mah and would have began his plan immediately after Sliske’s Endgame. He wouldn’t have even needed to get the shadow anima.

The name “material” also clearly implies it’s a commodity substance, not a specific object. I think he would have specified if it was Mah’s Core. As I said in my previous comment it’s much more likely he’s going to offer Mah’s Core to the rulers of the shadow realm and use the shadow anima to protect himself because it wouldn’t make any sense as to why he’d give them shadow anima.
There’s simply no evidence to suggest it’s Mah’s Core. That also provides no explanation for why he bothered to take the canister.

08-Jun-2021 18:13:36

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