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Dilbert2001
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Why did Zaros have to wait for the World Guardian to come to Raksha and activate the Monolith? If he could get everything to go to Erebus all by himself he would not have to wait so long to get the World Guaridan involved. Don't forget Yak to the Shadow revealed Zaros has been waiting on some big event to happen all those long long years.

08-Jun-2021 18:33:47

Xalha
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Dilbert2001 said :
Why did Zaros have to wait for the World Guardian to come to Raksha and activate the Monolith? If he could get everything to go to Erebus all by himself he would not have to wait so long to get the World Guaridan involved. Don't forget Yak to the Shadow revealed Zaros has been waiting on some big event to happen all those long long years.

What? Zaros activated the monolith before the release of Raksha, which kickstarted Archaeology. If you’re talking about opening the monolith like in the battle, Zaros didn’t need to wait for the World Guardian. The World Guardian walked in on Zaros arriving to take the canister.

The shadowy group behind the Archaeology guild, Silhouette, had already ordered for multiple research groups to go retrieve the shadow anima for Zaros, which are what the corpses in Raksha’s chamber are. In the end he gave up and went to go claim it himself.

You’re reiterating my point though. He needed the shadow anima to get to Erebus, therefore if Mah’s Core was sufficient to protect himself, he wouldn’t have needed to find Raksha. The shadow anima canister is his protective material. I’d imagine he’s going to give Mah’s Core to the rulers of the Shadow Realm, in exchange for them making him some form of Elder God in their universe.

08-Jun-2021 18:44:13

Dilbert2001
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Xalha said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Why did Zaros have to wait for the World Guardian to come to Raksha and activate the Monolith? If he could get everything to go to Erebus all by himself he would not have to wait so long to get the World Guaridan involved. Don't forget Yak to the Shadow revealed Zaros has been waiting on some big event to happen all those long long years.

What? Zaros activated the monolith before the release of Raksha, which kickstarted Archaeology. If you’re talking about opening the monolith like in the battle, Zaros didn’t need to wait for the World Guardian. The World Guardian walked in on Zaros arriving to take the canister.

The shadowy group behind the Archaeology guild, Silhouette, had already ordered for multiple research groups to go retrieve the shadow anima for Zaros, which are what the corpses in Raksha’s chamber are. In the end he gave up and went to go claim it himself.

You’re reiterating my point though. He needed the shadow anima to get to Erebus, therefore if Mah’s Core was sufficient to protect himself, he wouldn’t have needed to find Raksha. The shadow anima canister is his protective material. I’d imagine he’s going to give Mah’s Core to the rulers of the Shadow Realm, in exchange for them making him some form of Elder God in their universe.

Raksha and activating the Monolith were two separate events that Zaros could have done years if not thousands of years ago without the World Guardian.

Not saying shadow anima is not needed for Erebus, but it alone won't do the trick as what Guthix did on the World Guardian showed the fact. He put shadow anima as well as shadow magic in the World Guardian. Mah's Core may serve the similar effect as the shadow magic too.

08-Jun-2021 18:49:31

Xalha
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Dilbert2001 said :

Raksha and activating the Monolith were two separate events that Zaros could have done years if not thousands of years ago without the World Guardian.

Not saying shadow anima is not needed for Erebus, but it alone won't do the trick as what Guthix did on the World Guardian showed the fact. He put shadow anima as well as shadow magic in the World Guardian. Mah's Core may serve the similar effect as the shadow magic too.

You could also argue that Zaros could have killed Mah and claimed her core, then went to find Jas thousands of years ago and ask her to make him an Elder God. He didn’t necessarily have to wait for Jas to show herself because the World Guardian killed Sliske, her agent.

I think the real answer to all this is that Jagex hasn’t had a set “storyline” in mind for all this since Zaros’ return, so there will be events that aren’t easy to explain or justify. It’s probably best to just take it as it is and not theorize too much based on past content because there’s no real guarantee it’ll have much weight, since different writers and dev teams have worked on differing aspects of the content.

08-Jun-2021 18:54:15

Dilbert2001
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Xalha said :
Dilbert2001 said :

Raksha and activating the Monolith were two separate events that Zaros could have done years if not thousands of years ago without the World Guardian.

Not saying shadow anima is not needed for Erebus, but it alone won't do the trick as what Guthix did on the World Guardian showed the fact. He put shadow anima as well as shadow magic in the World Guardian. Mah's Core may serve the similar effect as the shadow magic too.

You could also argue that Zaros could have killed Mah and claimed her core, then went to find Jas thousands of years ago and ask her to make him an Elder God. He didn’t necessarily have to wait for Jas to show herself because the World Guardian killed Sliske, her agent.

I think the real answer to all this is that Jagex hasn’t had a set “storyline” in mind for all this since Zaros’ return, so there will be events that aren’t easy to explain or justify. It’s probably best to just take it as it is and not theorize too much based on past content because there’s no real guarantee it’ll have much weight, since different writers and dev teams have worked on differing aspects of the content.

We are not arguing in this thread. AFAIK, we are discussing all possible theories about this not yet happened FUTURE Erebus game update.

I am definitely not going to argue with you if you think Jagex never has any set "storyline" but what's the point of this thread then?

08-Jun-2021 19:06:14

Xalha
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Dilbert2001 said :


We are not arguing in this thread. AFAIK, we are discussing all possible theories about this not yet happened FUTURE Erebus game update.

I am definitely not going to argue with you if you think Jagex never has any set "storyline" but what's the point of this thread then?

You misunderstand, and I’m not sure if English is your first language - my bad. I’m using the word argue in the context of “proposing a theory”, not as in an aggressive argument.

I’m stating that it’s probably not exactly a fruitful activity to debate over the specifics of what Zaros has brought because that’s not the content of the thread and will be difficult due to different developers, etc. As for Erebus itself we’ll find out soon.

08-Jun-2021 19:21:48 - Last edited on 08-Jun-2021 19:23:13 by Xalha

Dilbert2001
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I don't think "the storyline is not fixed" and "we'll find out soon" is what OP creates this thread for. So for those who think Jagex has specifically set up a Lore Council and frequently given us lore reveals based on long term planning in the production of an epic, persistent and consistent story of Gielinor all these 21 glorious years, I want to summarize what I think Jagex has told us about Erebus based on existing lore:

- Erebus is the afterlife of Mahjarrat and perhaps other beings too, as Azzanadra explained, regardless of whatever religion, there must be answer of what happened after a creature dies.

- Nobody has returned from Erebus to tell the story so we don't know what exactly is there. I believe everything we can come up with so far can only be a theory without any evidence.

- According to Zaros, we need some material for protection, something to guide us, and something to offer to the "ruler" there.

- From Guthix's memories, we know the World Guardian is able to survive shadow anima because Guthix has given us both anima and shadow anima, fused with shadow magic. So it is eminently logical shadow anima alone is not able to let us live in Erebus. My theory is Mah's Core serve the same purpose of Shadow Magic, or at least Zaros thinks so.

- Professor Tony is apparently alive and kicking normally on the other side of the Monolith as he can communicate with the Archaeology Guild. Being a mere mortal human with no known epic adventures under his belt, I think somebody on the far side of the Monolith is protecting him.

- Connecting all the dots, the most reasonable answer is Xau-Tak is behind everything and his Corruption is stronger and can suppress the effect of shadow anima. That's why Mah's Core may serve the same purpose as Shadow Magic under the assumption that Xau-Tak corrupted Mah when she was an egg.

08-Jun-2021 19:42:06 - Last edited on 08-Jun-2021 19:51:35 by Dilbert2001

Xalha
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I completely agree that Xau-Tak is likely behind all this, but I don’t know if his corruption is even a separate thing from shadow anima. They may be one and the same. The black stone held by Zemouregal had the same magical residue as the corruption on Mah’s egg, and it’s the same black stone that caused Tony to be dragged into the Monolith.

From the fact that that black stone is the same black stone as all of the other forms of black stone we’ve seen as connected to Xau-Tak, and the black stone dragon, Raksha and Kerapac’s device all having ties to shadow anima, the black stone itself may be solidified shadow anima.

This would also explain why the Elder Gods call shadow anima toxic - it doesn’t necessarily kill them, but it can corrupt them.

If the black stone is solidified shadow anima, then it makes sense how the black stone could open the monolith as well as Zaros’ canister of shadow anima. It also explains how only the World Guardian was able to stop Xau-Tak’s machinations in the elite dungeon.

We know for a fact that Xau-Tak is connected to shadow anima, because it was Raksha’s shadow anima that led to Kranon’s ‘heresy’ in Zaros’ words. Raksha’s infusion with shadow anima from the Codex led the dragonkin Kranon to seek out its source, and he found Xau-Tak. Raksha was religious inspiration for Kranon that led him to Xau-Tak and eventually becoming the Ambassador, so it makes sense how the black stone may be solidified shadow anima.

08-Jun-2021 19:49:15 - Last edited on 08-Jun-2021 19:52:21 by Xalha

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