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2006

Dilbert2001

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God Drakan said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Nothing suggested Raksha was empowered by shadow anima. We actually see him absorbing shadown anima when fighting him rather.

The lore states this clearly.

''The monolith imbued him with immense amounts of anima, turning it into a colossus. However, the power did not come from the Elder Gods, but from something else, making him into a particularly special "shadow" colossus.''

Hes also called shadow colossus for a reason. He was empowered with anima that dint came from the Elder Gods. With normal anima being an Elder Gods product the only anima left is the shadow anima to power him this much. Raskhsa fell into a coma because of the lack of shadow anima.

''It is later revealed that Raksha had slipped into a coma for tens of thousands of years since he thrived on shadow anima, something which had not been produced in ages after the Elder Gods had destroyed Kerapac's device.''

He was imbued with anima didn't imply he was empowered with anima. The World Guardian is also imbued with shadow anima too, but we, the World Guardians, are not empowered by shadow anima. Our main powers come from Guthix's blessing which protects us from other gods. We are not empowered by shadow anima and hasn't shown anything that we can even use the shadow anima in our bodies.

We also learned from Kerapac's experiments on the Black Stone Dragons. He imbued them with shadow anima but that's only for the toxic defense against the Elder Gods, not that the shadow anima is so powerful that it can be used to destroy the world. Neither has any in game lore showed shadow anima has any powers against beings who are protected against it.

07-Jun-2021 18:31:42 - Last edited on 07-Jun-2021 18:41:18 by Dilbert2001

God Drakan

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Dilbert2001 said :

He was imbued with anima didn't imply he was empowered with anima. The World Guardian is also imbued with shadow anima too, but we, the World Guardians, are not empowered by shadow anima. Our main powers come from Guthix's blessing which protects us from other gods. We are not empowered by shadow anima and hasn't shown anything that we can even use the shadow anima in our bodies.

We also learned from Kerapac's experiments on the Black Stone Dragons. He imbued them with shadow anima but that's only for the toxic defense against the Elder Gods, not that the shadow anima is so powerful that it can be used to destroy the world. Neither has any in game lore showed shadow anima has any powers against beings who are protected against it.

Guthix infusion of the World Guardian with shadow anima is the reason the World Guardian is immune to other gods magic. This is the absolute reason as for why gods cant touch us.

''According to Charos, when Guthix made the player the World Guardian, he also infused their soul with a carefully constructed enchantment of shadow anima, which is the reason that the gods cannot directly affect the player, as the shadow anima deters them.[2][5]''

07-Jun-2021 23:15:07 - Last edited on 07-Jun-2021 23:16:07 by God Drakan

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2006

Dilbert2001

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God Drakan said :
Dilbert2001 said :

He was imbued with anima didn't imply he was empowered with anima. The World Guardian is also imbued with shadow anima too, but we, the World Guardians, are not empowered by shadow anima. Our main powers come from Guthix's blessing which protects us from other gods. We are not empowered by shadow anima and hasn't shown anything that we can even use the shadow anima in our bodies.

We also learned from Kerapac's experiments on the Black Stone Dragons. He imbued them with shadow anima but that's only for the toxic defense against the Elder Gods, not that the shadow anima is so powerful that it can be used to destroy the world. Neither has any in game lore showed shadow anima has any powers against beings who are protected against it.

Guthix infusion of the World Guardian with shadow anima is the reason the World Guardian is immune to other gods magic. This is the absolute reason as for why gods cant touch us.

''According to Charos, when Guthix made the player the World Guardian, he also infused their soul with a carefully constructed enchantment of shadow anima, which is the reason that the gods cannot directly affect the player, as the shadow anima deters them.[2][5]''

I am talking about the World Guardian's protection against shadow anima, not the other gods.

07-Jun-2021 23:50:57

God Drakan

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No, you were not talking about World Guardians protection against shadow anima. You were talking about the protection against other gods.

Dilbert2001 said :
The World Guardian is also imbued with shadow anima too, but we, the World Guardians, are not empowered by shadow anima. Our main powers come from Guthix's blessing which protects us from other gods. We are not empowered by shadow anima and hasn't shown anything that we can even use the shadow anima in our bodies.

If anima and shadow anima are opposites that cancel each other perhaps there isnt a clear protection against it anyway. Perhaps the only way for a being made of anima to survive shadow anima is to be shielded by shadow anima, while the normal anima core is not touched by the shadow anima shield. We will see how Zaros deals with this problem in Erebus.

08-Jun-2021 00:07:29 - Last edited on 08-Jun-2021 00:07:58 by God Drakan

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2006

Dilbert2001

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God Drakan said :
No, you were not talking about World Guardians protection against shadow anima. You were talking about the protection against other gods.

Dilbert2001 said :
The World Guardian is also imbued with shadow anima too, but we, the World Guardians, are not empowered by shadow anima. Our main powers come from Guthix's blessing which protects us from other gods. We are not empowered by shadow anima and hasn't shown anything that we can even use the shadow anima in our bodies.

If anima and shadow anima are opposites that cancel each other perhaps there isnt a clear protection against it anyway. Perhaps the only way for a being made of anima to survive shadow anima is to be shielded by shadow anima, while the normal anima core is not touched by the shadow anima shield. We will see how Zaros deals with this problem in Erebus.

I am, and I believe all but you in this thread, is talking about protection of shadow anima in Eureba. Protection against other gods have nothing to do there.

Nobody said anybody is made of anima or shadow anima, let alone one cancels the other.

Please read Guthix's memories in Azzanadra's Quest again. They clearly told us Guthix put shadow magic in the World Guardian to protect him from shadow anima. That's why the World Guardian is the only one who can go into Kerapac's Lab (and even Jas can't) which is protected by his Black Stone Dragon's shadow anima.

Shadow magic protects against shadow anima, and Guthix knew how to use it.

08-Jun-2021 00:46:28

God Drakan

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Dilbert2001 said :

Then stop with your derailment regarding the other gods. Denying your own quoted post is lowly enough already. Also, you dont have to believe me, you just have to read the lore. Thats why I added wiki quotes in which is explained why Guthix infused us with shadow anima. Its also called Erebus, not ''Eureba'' or whatever you call it. Being wrong and not knowing a thing about lore is a common thing with you and, obviously, you are wrong again about what anima is.

''Anima is the living energy of the universe and the source of magic.'' Quoted from wiki.

Again, Guthix did not infuse us with shadow anima to protect us from it, he did it to protect us from gods, with shadow anima like that in the Edicts of Guthix. He infused us with it so we can defend Gielinor from the other gods. The fact that the shadow anima we got in us also protects us from itself is a bonus. The main reason of Guthix blessing was to create a being powerful enough to deal with the ''tasks'' ahead, while not being a greedy entity such as the gods.

''According to Charos, when Guthix made the player the World Guardian, he also infused their soul with a carefully constructed enchantment of shadow anima, which is the reason that the gods cannot directly affect the player, as the shadow anima deters them.[2][5]'' Quoted from wiki.

08-Jun-2021 01:21:09

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2006

Dilbert2001

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"Charos:
Well, you remember earlier when I spoke about souls. About how they're containers of anima that shape the anima with our experiences? Yes well. It appears that your soul is...different. It looks like when Guthix made you the World Guardian, by giving you some of his divine power, he also gave you something else. I believe the dragonkin called it 'shadow anima'. Your soul contains a carefully constructed enchantment of that shadow anima."

"Charos:
Cast that aside. Let's focus only on good things. Like this little barrier here. You know this lab is protected? Well it seems it's protected by this shadow anima. Which explains the lack of direct assistance from grandma Jas herself. Your average anima based lifeforms, like myself, Hannibus and even Thok here, we can't cross that barrier without being torn apart. But to you it'll be about as unpleasant as the heaviness of the air before a storm. You might feel a slight tingle, but otherwise you'll be fine. So by infusing your soul with this reality destroying shadow anima, Guthix may have given you exactly the protection you need to save this world. Which is very handy I think. But, whilst I would love to discuss this topic, at length, I'm afraid we just don't have the time. I've used the resonances we've picked up from the measure and unlocked this door. Until you can shut down that shadow anima barrier, we can't come with you. But as soon as it's down, we'll be there. So this is it, World Guardian. Time to save us all. Make sure you have that doohickey that Jas gave you, I suspect you'll need it.

It is incredibly clear, it is what guthix put in our body and enchanted it in our souls that protect us from shadow anima. Charos, Hannibus, or even Thok, or even grandma Jas can't enter the lab without being torn apart but the World Guardian acan.

08-Jun-2021 01:56:19

God Drakan

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And it is also incredibly clear that he did that mainly to protect us from the gods, since the Edicts were to die with him. As Charos said, our shadow anima protection came in ''handy'', proving more that our benefits from the infusion are a bonus quality, not the main goal.

Also, in the text you quoted Charos spoke for himself, Hannibus and Thok that they would be torn apart. Nowhere in the mentioned text Charos said that Jas would have been torn apart if she tried to pass the barrier, he specifically talked about ''Your average anima based lifeforms'', not the ultimate anima being-the Elder Gods.

08-Jun-2021 02:08:37

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2006

Dilbert2001

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God Drakan said :
And it is also incredibly clear that he did that mainly to protect us from the gods, since the Edicts were to die with him. As Charos said, our shadow anima protection came in ''handy'', proving more that our benefits from the infusion are a bonus quality, not the main goal.

Also, in the text you quoted Charos spoke for himself, Hannibus and Thok that they would be torn apart. Nowhere in the mentioned text Charos said that Jas would have been torn apart if she tried to pass the barrier, he specifically talked about ''Your average anima based lifeforms'', not the ultimate anima being-the Elder Gods.

I did say Guthix also gave us shadow anima and shadow magic to protect us from other gods, but that's where you don't realize it is not the key point what OP asked about protection in Eureba on this thread is about.

Read Charos' line again please. He did mention the shadow anima barrier is why we didn't see Jas in action:

" You know this lab is protected? Well it seems it's protected by this shadow anima. Which explains the lack of direct assistance from grandma Jas herself.

08-Jun-2021 02:27:42

God Drakan

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There is Erebus and no such thing as ''Eureba'' and OPs main topic was about Erebus and what exactly it is. As the BOTM continued we learned more and more about it. The line Charos uses is clear enough already-''direct assistance''; in other words Jas couldnt have been bothered to get a shield of her own against that shadow anima barrier. Shes an Elder God and she and her sister created the Codex, she knows more about it than Guthix and also knows how to use it better. The only reason Jas didnt do anything until we dropped the barrier is because, with us there, there was no need for her to waste energy into using the Codex to create her own shadow anima shield to handle things personally.

08-Jun-2021 02:48:40

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