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Dilbert2001
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I just wanted to point out there is no citation in game about all your talk about Bilrach and Moia finding Zamorak in Floor 61 of Daemonheim. Nadir clearly narrated Moia found Bilrach in an dazed state speaking weirdly. Then the two left and end of the Fremmenik Saga.

Anway, this is just for reference. It doesn't change the fact apparently the "ruler" of Erebus is asking for an "offering" from Zaros and that wouldn't be Zamorak at all.

Since the "ruler" is apparently extremely powerful that Zaros is willing to abandon all his loyal followers of thousands of years to join him, it is pretty easy to see that "offering" must be very valuable. Mah's Core which Zaros is carrying is a possibly, but on a 2nd thought will it be something ever more powerful but have yet to be found... and that's where the Locator becomes so important...

08-Jun-2021 23:34:16 - Last edited on 08-Jun-2021 23:47:11 by Dilbert2001

Xalha
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Dilbert2001 said :
I just wanted to point out there is no citation in game about all your talk about Bilrach and Moia finding Zamorak in Floor 61 of Daemonheim. Nadir clearly narrated Moia found Bilrach in an dazed state speaking weirdly. Then the two left and end of the Fremmenik Saga.

Anway, this is just for reference. It doesn't change the fact apparently the ruler of Erebus is asking for an offering from Zaros and that wouldn't be Zamorak at all.

The in game citation was Moia returning with Zamorak for the Battle of Lumbridge. The last time she was seen before that was with Bilrach on Floor 61. For a long time before the Battle of Lumbridge Jmods hinted someone with a name beginning with "Z" was beyond Floor 61. There's also dialogue during Dishonour among Thieves that confirms Bilrach was digging in Daemonheim to find Zamorak.

Zamorak:
We have Bilrach here to thank for its sanctuary. He has earned his place as my right hand.
Bilrach:
The certainty of your return fueled my digging for millenia[sic], my lord.

There is also a citation from Mod Crow from 2013 which additionally clears up that it was indeed Zamorak. It can be found here as an archived forum post, but you have to scroll over underneath the "about Zamorak" section to make it visible:
https://www.webcitation.org/6LNIWXhTZ

"When the Edicts of Guthix banished the gods from Gielinor, Zamorak buried himself at the bottom of Daemonheim, not quite in the world, but close."

Not every piece of confirmed lore has been ingame. Plenty of Jmods have confirmed additional pieces on platforms outside of the game, which is why the Wiki has that information. It's still accurate lore.

Zamorak was therefore just beyond the Rift on Floor 61. It's hence why he has his base on Daemonheim.

Zamorak clearly isn't the ruler of Erebus but he was what was beyond the Rift and was what Bilrach and Moia found. That of course doesn't mean Xau-Tak isn't there.

08-Jun-2021 23:45:30 - Last edited on 08-Jun-2021 23:55:14 by Xalha

Xalha
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Dilbert2001 said :

Since the "ruler" is apparently extremely powerful that Zaros is willing to abandon all his loyal followers of thousands of years to join him, it is pretty easy to see that "offering" must be very valuable. Mah's Core which Zaros is carrying is a possibly, but on a 2nd thought will it be something ever more powerful but have yet to be found... and that's where the Locator becomes so important...

You might indeed be right that it's something he's yet to find, but I interpreted it from his dialogue with Azzanadra that it was something he already possessed which makes Mah's Core likely. It'll be interesting to see what Zaros is getting out of this deal with the rulers of Erebus, and whether or not they'll even uphold their end of the deal. After all, it seems the Locator primarily acts to find the other Elder Artefacts and those who wield them, so perhaps the ruler of Erebus possesses one of the Elder Artefacts we haven't seen yet, and Zaros will use that to find them within Erebus? The only two artefacts of which nothing are known is the Hammer and Template.

08-Jun-2021 23:50:13

Dilbert2001
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Jmod said "bottom of Daemonheim" but didn't say anything about the Rift or floor 61 though. Anyway, we can revisit this later when there is something new coming out.

Assuming Zamorak was down below the RIft and it was Erebus then what Azzanadra said of his lord told him nobody has returned from Erebus would not hold any water. So based on your assumption, The Rift can't be Erebus or Zaros is all the time wrong.

08-Jun-2021 23:55:57

Xalha
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Dilbert2001 said :
Jmod said "bottom of Daemonheim" but didn't say anything about the Rift or floor 61 though. Anyway, we can revisit this later when there is something new coming out.

Assuming Zamorak was down below the RIft and it was Erebus then what Azzanadra said of his lord told him nobody has returned from Erebus would not hold any water. So based on your assumption, The Rift can't be Erebus or Zaros is all the time wrong.

Floor 61 is the supposed final floor of Daemonheim, and it's where the Rift is. The Rift is specifically the name of the portal on Floor 61, they're one and the same. Essentially Floor 61/The Rift is the bottom of Daemonheim, and it's where Bilrach was attempting to reach the entire time. We were supposed to get more information about it in a Floor 61 quest, but that lost out to the Vampyre continuation so it's not known if it'll ever come out. Zamorak's hideout during Dishonour Among Thieves is on Floor 60, which is the floor featured in Nadir and directly above the Rift portal.

I forgot Azzanadra said nobody had returned. Guess that means the Rift isn't Erebus, which also implies that Xau-Tak can't be beyond the Rift.

08-Jun-2021 23:59:19

Dilbert2001
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Xalha said :

I forgot Azzanadra said nobody had returned. Guess that means the Rift isn't Erebus, which also implies that Xau-Tak can't be beyond the Rift.

Or "bottom of Daemonheim" isn't Floor 61 of Daemonheim as we also know Kerapac's lab as well as one of the undiscovered Dragonkin Castles are in Daemonheim too.

Anyway, in 3 weeks we probably should know more, but for now I'll just wait as everything seems to be inconclusive.

09-Jun-2021 00:13:31 - Last edited on 09-Jun-2021 00:14:06 by Dilbert2001

Xalha
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Dilbert2001 said :
Xalha said :

I forgot Azzanadra said nobody had returned. Guess that means the Rift isn't Erebus, which also implies that Xau-Tak can't be beyond the Rift.

Or "bottom of Daemonheim" isn't Floor 61 of Daemonheim as we also know Kerapac's lab as well as one of the undiscovered Dragonkin Castles are in Daemonheim too.

Anyway, in 3 weeks we probably should know more, but for now I'll just wait as everything seems to be inconclusive.

Yeah I agree. I'm not going to theorise much about Daemonheim because there's a lot of inconsistencies in the Daemonheim lore and it was never really cleared up. Initially in 2010 I'm pretty sure it was supposed to have been entirely built by Bilrach, but it's very clear that Daemonheim itself is a Dragonkin structure, so I wouldn't be surprised if they change the story a little so the Rift is actually between Floor 60 and 61 and Floor 61 ends up being something completely different, perhaps tied to Xau-Tak. Bilrach does say in Children of Mah there's a floor deeper into Daemonheim that only he has seen, so presumably neither Moia or Zamorak even saw that.

Speaking of Erebus though, where do you theorise GWD3 will be? Within Erebus/the Monolith, or perhaps Senntisten?

09-Jun-2021 00:21:28

Dilbert2001
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Xalha said :

Speaking of Erebus though, where do you theorise GWD3 will be? Within Erebus/the Monolith, or perhaps Senntisten?

Erebus.

Shard of Zaros - protection against GWD1 mobs
Shard of Mah - protection against GWD2 mobs
Shard of Erebus - logically grants protection against GWD3 mobs... or GWD3 mobs are related to Erebus.

09-Jun-2021 00:57:17

MawrBuwch
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What none of you have considered is the following...
As Ali the Wise is actually an anagram alias disguise for Wahiesetel the Mahjarraat, Professor Tony is clearly an anagram disguise for Not For Ospreys...
We are clearly going to be fighting a massively evil zombified Osprey boss as the Nex version of GWD1 here in GWD3.
Mike drop, heads blown, put me on the lore team

13-Jun-2021 04:50:42

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