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Dilbert2001
Jun Member 2006

Dilbert2001

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God Drakan said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Educated consumers will only pay for quality of a product, games are no exception. Games still living and prospering after 20 years like RS3 all come with great persistent content that consumers are happy to pay for because they are entertainment.

Hence the reason people use bonds for memship.

Sure, but there are also other pay to win consumers who buy bonds with real money and convert them to gp so they can instantly get a Tbow or FSOA, before the others who can use bonds for membership.

02-Nov-2022 18:09:20

God Drakan
Feb Member 2024

God Drakan

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Dilbert2001 said :
God Drakan said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Educated consumers will only pay for quality of a product, games are no exception. Games still living and prospering after 20 years like RS3 all come with great persistent content that consumers are happy to pay for because they are entertainment.

Hence the reason people use bonds for memship.

Sure, but there are also other pay to win consumers.

Further showing the true quality of this ''product''.

02-Nov-2022 18:11:26

Dilbert2001
Jun Member 2006

Dilbert2001

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God Drakan said :
Dilbert2001 said :
God Drakan said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Educated consumers will only pay for quality of a product, games are no exception. Games still living and prospering after 20 years like RS3 all come with great persistent content that consumers are happy to pay for because they are entertainment.

Hence the reason people use bonds for memship.

Sure, but there are also other pay to win consumers.

Further showing the true quality of this ''product''.

Of course it shows the quality of RS3 and OSRS. If they don't have the quality, nobody will pay Jagex real money to buy bonds to get Tbows and FSOAs instantly.

What do we learn? Different consumers have different opinions on the quality of a product, but the $$$ Jagex receive from the pay to win players and the ones who use bonds to get membership is the same.

02-Nov-2022 18:15:43

Abby Taylor
Nov Member 2019

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Dilbert2001 said :
We learned all games need MTX to survive in the longer run.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

WRONG


There are tons of community driven games which are offered free or charge and don't require microtransactions to survive.
Dwarf fortress has been freely available at no cost, and has no MTX for 20 years.

Runescape could have continued to be a 5 dollar a month service, without solomons, bonds, treasure hunter and all the other MTX nonsense.

They were sustainable updating with REAL content and stable. But they wanted MORE, they wanted a higher profit margin and began gouging things.

The problem is that companies are always seeking to increase profits, rather than settling in and earning the same rate consistently.
There is no reason to grow profits endlessly, it's not necessary, Runescape could have stayed alive and made plenty of money on it's current course without needing to grow and change everything.

When you change things to increase profits you run the risk of changing something major, and then losing all profits forever when people leave.

EOC was the biggest lesson learned by jagex, their sad attempt to rake in new players by imitating other mmos with combat abilities, did not have the intended affect of bringing new people in to this aging game, and scared away a lot of veteran / legacy people.

Their attempt to increase profits ended in a catastrophic failure that almost destroyed the game completely.
and they were forced to create OSRS, splitting the community in half.
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03-Nov-2022 01:43:50

Dilbert2001
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^^
How much money do the nobody-know-games you mentioned?

Elon Musk can spend $10 billion to make a game and don't charge a penny for everybody to play and it may last 100 years, but we are talking about commercial games here.

In case if you don't know, former OSRS Product Manager Mat K has spilled the beans. He said before he left Jagex, different Jmods have told him OSRS was dying and they would have to add MTX or they would stop losing services and Jmods. Then covid-19 came and good for them for a year or so but now they were back down to having a negative 7% revenue growth despite of a 20% gain from RS3 as revealed in Jagex freshly released financial report.

Don't forget Bond is MTX too. OSRS has them since "An Important Message from Mod MMG".

03-Nov-2022 01:52:35

Dilbert2001
Jun Member 2006

Dilbert2001

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We learned the risks of a developer with an over half a billion $$$ market cap but only a small portfolio of 2 games. Even when one game keeps chalking up 18% and then 20% annual growth, the entire community will have to pay them more, when the other game is getting subpar growth of 6% or even negative growth of 7%.

Subsequently, our membership cost is $12.5 a month instead of $11... $15 or $20 a month coming?

03-Nov-2022 15:40:58

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